What is it with Mancs? This is the 2nd comment I've read from one today making out like they're different to other fans. They do take the same offence. They take the same offence when players threaten to leave They take offence when it's suggested Nani played up an injury that was going to keep him out for weeks, which turned into one game. They take offence if anybody suggests an elbow is against the rules. They take offence when you suggest either the Glazers are rubbish or Utd fans are stupid for protesting. If they didn't get upset we'd upset them by calling them plastic. As deluded as that is, I think if you took a more level-headed approach that not all fans of a certain club are the same but all forums have similarities then you might be capable of genuine debate. I think if you didn't rely on a row of smileys as an attempt to claim some moral high ground in a typically wum way your own debate night seem a little more genuine. I don't really need Mancs for debate because even ones like you who come with some data have prejudices which inform their stance, like any fan of any club, especially a rival. I'd expect it but I'd rather debate with Liverpool fans, ironic though I recognise that is in a response to a Manc.
Well the 2nd part of that comment is certainly a lie This is the first time I have commented on your board in weeks yet I still get some Liverpool fans making out that I live on here I get stick and insults from Liverpool fans and get called an idiot despite me hardly ever talking to you lot
I didn't make out that we are different to other fans. If you actually read my post, my point is that KPR is responding very differently to other fans. I haven't seen any other fans on this site refer to another club quite so much in their posts, and nor have I seen any of them create a thread purely to try to debunk the arguments of a fan of another club, and then complain when that fan continues to debate. Most of the other Liverpool fans in that debate, you included, listened to my arguments, put their own arguments forward and either agreed or disagreed with what I said. But all the other fans just let it go when the debate was over. How is it deluded? Try counting the number of posts by United fans on the Liverpool board that have been made specifically in response to KPR's wum posts about United and then come back to me. And I have never claimed that all fans of a certain club are the same, I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in KPR being so inordinately pissed off by my opinion on Liverpool, but then posting endless baseless and biased opinions on United on the Liverpool and United boards. And please stop with your smiley obsession - I'm hardly the only person on here to use them. And moral high ground? It's an internet debate forum mate, not the United Nations... Well, I suggest if you don't need Mancs for debate you probably shouldn't reply to quite as many of my posts. After all, I think you put more words and research into the NESV/Glazers debate than you have into any other debate I've seen you have on this site.
Swarbs, I'm not pissed off by your opinion. You have the right to it.You said its your opinion that you don't think Liverpool will break into the top four for a number of years and you expressed your reasons.I however dismissed them and disagreed with them. However its my opinion that when Ferguson retires Man United are not going to have anywhere near the same level of success.I'll tell you why.This is only if they don't appoint the right manager.Its my opinion that Jose Mourinho is not the right manager.He could end up doing a ''Souness'' to Man United.I reckon when Ferguson goes that they need a calming influence. However I've a feeling due to Mourinhos overall reputation,I reckon they will foolishly appoint him,and I reckon it will end in tears.He's not the manager to carry on a legacy due to his own arrogance.He's like Ferguson.Ferguson can pull clubs up from the bootstraps and build an empire,but he hasn't got the personality to carry one on.Its that stubborness and arrogance.In a way I would put Bill Shankly into that bracket,strong enough to build empire,would never be able to carry one on.Same reasons,Arrogance and stubborness.A calming influence continues legacies.Thats why I reckon they won't have the same success,they will look to find another Ferguson,when they don't actually need one.
Swarbs you gotta admit you'd probably not use not606 much at all if it were'nt for KPR. I think it's what makes you come on here, always looking for his replies, it is the Liveprool board, you CAN stay on the Swamp board if you so wish, I never visit the United one. As if I would it would only to wind up, so whats the point. Here I come on for a debate and the odd bit of craic, stick is all part of football culture You just try wum with research and don't really have debate and do you ever admit you get it wrong, I don't remember reading anything like that Why I don't go on the United board, you can't say state obvious truth on that board Because you are a liverpool fan. united fans still maintain Evans tackle ws not worse than Carra's even with the obvious results, very dangerous lunge and they call it a 50 50 challenge when the Bolton player didn't make the same dangerous lunge, 6 Months out 26 stitches. And I am sure this blinkered ilogical defense will be the response Swarbs "SureWeAteRubbishBinScraps" Dipping since 1888
Bringbackfootee. Swarbs is okay.The only beef I had with him in general was over his comment that it would take Liverpool 4 years to get back into the top 4.He explained his reasons and I disagreed with them.He justified his reasons and he has the right to an opinion,and I had the right to an opinion by disagreeing with them.Case closed.He does offer decent debate.unlike Munster 86 and Eastcustard who come on here to wum. I have no problem really with swarbs and would enter into debate with him on any occasion.
I am not saying he isn't, just pointing out his compulsion to prove Liverpool fans wrong, the urge to do that has nothing to do with your comments. If you weren't on here it would be someone else. Just pointing out the obvious. As long as it doesn't get out of hand and thrsh a thread its fine but two pages of dross with 4 or 5 on topic posts is becomming the norm, you open a thread and the current debate or wumming has 0% thread related posts. Even debate about players at Liverpool between Liverpool fans and they jump in with his "Sure Fire opinions" when maybe he should sitck to knowing everyting about players at United instead.
How did this thread go to this discussion? haha. Bluff City something or another......possibly a new name in the future!
Dangnamit, for the last time I didn't say it would take four years for you to get back into the top 4! I said it would be tough for you to get back into the top 4, and I think it'll take at least four years for you to challenge for the title again! I've been horrendously misquoted! You may well get back into the the top 4 next season, and some of your performances recently have definitely been good enough to surpass Spurs and City, but a lot depends on the summer transfers each club make and how well they bed in - I don't think either club are going to give up on their top 4 dreams without a struggle. The only one with that compulsion is you mate. Just look at mine and KPR's discussion about the difficulty of winning the CL vs the old EC. We both agreed that the CL is harder for teams to dominate, and that both formats had their merits, and I agreed with KPR that Liverpool's 1980 team was better than United's in 1968. Then you jumped in with a load of incomprehensible **** and baseless accusations that started out with the diamond phrase "omf god dude"...
Well look where this thread has gone! Swarbs vs KingPepe. Seriously you guys are like a couple of old woman!
There is no beef between myself and Swarbs. I take his points on board,even though I disagree with them.As for Arsenal being strong.Arsenal had their best chance of taking the title in a couple of years and they've blown it.This is not an anti Man United dig,because I know plenty of Man United fans that have said this,that this is their poorest squad in years. I reckon it will take Arsenal a couple of years to get anywhere near that level again.Arsenal are all style no substance.The top Arsenal teams had style,but they were able to rough it up too.Lets look at their 2004 team,they were monstrously strong,their 2002 Double winning team was the same.The 1998 team was likewise.The current Man United side has less style than Arsenal but it has more substance. I believe people will see a different Liverpool when Kenny as expected signs wingers. There is going to be a new look Liverpool next season.I did say that I believe that it will take Kenny 3 years to turn Liverpool into champions,I stilll believe that,He knows how to win titles.He's been there,seen it done it.He knows how to balance free-flowing and rigid formations.Even though to some degree both work.But I still believe you can have an inbetween. He will develop the side and the squad in his own image.
Seeing as I stick to my own board, I think you may have slightly flawed argument there Oscar. As for opinion of CL format difficulty, I had already decided matey than we'll have to agree to disagree unless you have found a time machine and are going to prove your point? Well Oscar, go ahead
He is assembling his FACKTS in likkle coloured folders, marked KPR and Generic "comeback quotes" I'll give it to the guy, he prepares, prepares like the England cricket team before playing Ireland. Hahahehehoho. Auld Oscar is ok, I have met far worse. Definately not the worst moo fan I have met by a long way but he is very sure of his fackts
Thats the point of where I was arguing against. He hasn't a clue of what FSG's overall strategy is.If FSG continue to form,they will not build a new stadium if they can not only redevelop Anfield but also make it commercially viable like they did with Fenway Park.They have realised already that Liverpools match day revenue is nowhere near as high as its rivals.They have realised that to be anywhere successful the need for more corporate boxes which generate a large chunk of revenue needs to be increased.Man United have currently got 200 corporate boxes.Liverpool have 40.If they increase the stadium size by 25%(15,000),they can incorporate up to say another 60 corporate boxes. They will take all avenues into account.Then there is the option of re-locating.Seeing as Liverpool are a larger global brand than Arsenal by a long way and are second to Man United (marginallly) as a global brand,they can easily top Arsenals 100 million over 10 years naming rights deal.They could and this was mentioned before that they would not settle for less than 200 million over 10 years.Then like Arsenal there is the sale of the existing site.Which is worth say another 100 million to a developer.Then there is the chance to say sell season tickets in bulk over say 10 years.This can easily be done as this is widely reported that Liverpool have a 65000 waiting list on season tickets. I mentioned before that Liverpool have extended their deal with Adidas and this was widely reported from this summer onwards as the existing deal expires this summer(It was 40 million over 3 years) for another 10 years at 150 million.This however only covers kits.The deal for the rest of Liverpools line is a separate deal. Is there huge potential for FSG to make money having invested short term.Yes,Will they make money once Liverpool are successful.They and I have said this already may have to spend money to make Liverpool successful.I'm 100% sure they will as they are well known for doing so. They have the means through FSM(Fenway Sports Management) and NESN to agressively market the club.This is the basis on why I think Liverpool will have a bright future.
My argument had nothing to do with what board we were on, so I'm not sure what tree you're barking up there Batman. I've also already decided my opinion on the CL, which is why I didn't bother replying to your last effort Pretty sure I have never claimed my opinion is fact. But please, if you think I have I'd be very happy for you to enlighten me with some of your own facts. After all, that's the Liverpool specialty To be honest, neither of us know FSG's overall strategy - both our argument's are just so much noise in the wind. Unless you have a hotline to John Henry that I'm unaware of? I have no doubt that you are right and that FSG will invest to boost revenue like you have said (although aren't there planning restrictions and right for light issues associated with an Anfield expansion). But winning the PL is an expensive business: the average PL point costs around ã2.4 million in player wages to win (ã7.2 million for a win). Which could indicate you need to raise your wage bill by almost ã50 million to catch up the 20 points to the top. I don't doubt that FSG plan to get you there, but whether they will look to take on those costs themselves by covering the losses whilst they wait for revenues to rise, or build the cost base up gradually over time once the increased revenue is realised, is the key issue.
What losses. Liverpool haven't got losses. Do you remember those 40 million interest repayments,they disappeared faster than Ferguson from a sky reporter after a defeat.They don't exist.That was what was causing Liverpool to have losses.They aren't there anymore.Liverpool without high interest repayments are in the black not red.They have covered themselves for the lack of CL revenue as they haven't over extended themselves. Secondly its not about points,its positions.Liverpool will likely finish above Spurs,as Spurs finishing above Liverpool is as common as Paul Merson saying something remotely intelligent.It hardly ever happens. Good management,signing players for the correct positions and building a team,not 25 individuals is what wins titles.Not what Man City did by signing 247 strikers and **** all defenders. If Kenny spends sensibly and signs for positions which is his trademark,Then I do believe he will be successful.
I mean the future losses if FSG spend big on new players without first waiting for the revenue to rise. I think without the interest payments last year you would have broken even, but that was with zero net spend. So if FSG spend a load on transfers this summer and improve the squad the wage bill and player amortisation will rise and you may go into the red. They'd need to put capital in to cover those losses whilst also investing in the stadium and other stuff. That may be their business model, but they may be wary of doing that before having concrete plans in place to sort out the stadium - failing to expand Anfield / build a new stadium was H&G's downfall in the end. P.S. Anyone looked at BringBackfootie's signature recently? (sorry Muppetfinder, I just couldn't resist the smiley)
Zero Net spend. The net spend wasn't Zero. The net spend was -10 million before January. Liverpools net spend since January 2009 is -41 million. They have since January 2009 made 158 million in players sales. They have reinvested 117 million. So now tell me where the zero net spend is.
I'm talking about your last financial statements, which I think were for the 08/09 season. IIRC you had a ã55 million loss with relatively little net transfer spending and ã40 million in interest payments. So with no interest and the additional money for the sponsorship, and less the CL money, you'd probably be around the break even point. I don't want to bicker about the details again, but that to me implies that if FSG want to bring in lots of players and increase the quality of the squad in the summer, they will need to both cover the capital outlay and also fund the additional wages until the club's revenue rises. They can probably get more commercial deals, but with the new shirt and kit sponsorship deals already sorted I'd be surprised if the commercial revenue surged in the short term. So if they want to bring big short term success to the club, they would have to be willing to fund the club with some money until the new stadium, and possibly new naming deal is sorted. Like I said, that may well be their plan, but if I was looking at it I would want to be sure the new / expanded stadium was going to be built before committing to all the additional costs. But then FSG may already be sure of that - as has been pointed out many times, I don't know what their exact plan is!
