I'm sorry if I misunderstood your comments Leo, so you are not against having an Army, Navy & Air Force for defence of the Nation but not for being involved with International Issues. That is a fine idea and in an ideal World I would support you 100%, unfortunately life isn't that simple. Were you the kind of boy who used to watch another kid in the playground being bullied by a bigger kid and say as long as he stays away from you somebody else will sort it. I'm sorry to say that 95% of the kids in the playground thought the same so the Bullies got bigger and so would his gang. As a Policeman I had to deal with these Bullies or Terrorists, I had to go and pick up the limbs and bits of body caused by explosions by Terrorists (have you ever seen the carnage caused at close quarters Leo). They have come into the very heart of our country and killed and maimed innocent civillians, they are the grown up school Bully. So or Country says enough is enough and we enter other Countries to get and hopefully destroy these Bullies so that you and your children can be safe at home. I understand what you are saying and if that is point of view good on you, but remember if it were not for our Brave fighting forces in the past as well as in the present you would not be permitted to express your point of view so freely.
Barry, thank you for the further information on Jersey & the Channel Islands, this is the only way we can all learn and that is by sharing knowledge. I have spent many happy visits to both Jersey & Guernsey and was surprised to discover (all be it in a Humerous way - I think) there is a avid rivalry between Jersey & Guernesey (Similar to England & Scotland), the last time in Guernesey there were people wearing badges saying 'The Best Thing About Jersey Is It's Five Miles Away' Good Luck to Pie if he decides to take a job in the RAF.
Having answered two comments I would like to say good morning to you all, still overcast but at least it's stopped raining. I'm on the count down now, less than two weeks to go before I'm up and away to three glorious weeks of R & R in sunny Cyprus (God willing).
Hello Charlie good point well made , it is a shame perfect ideals cannot live in an imperfect world! Even in peace loving Norway we have nutters like Breivik and a few idiotic muslim clerics. terrorism is something that must be fought , although I think the UK pays far more than its fair share in money and lives .
I agree 100% but I'm proud to be able to say we don't just stand back and wait for somebody else to sort out our problems but try to deal with them ourselves.
Góðan daginn til allra. Cappuccino, coffee, tea donuts and fruit are on the bar. Frothy cappuccinos for for al, HH, Leon and W_Y Coffees for COYH, Frenchie, Kev rob theo and vic-rijrode Strong coffee for Sandy Milky coffee for Yorkie Espresso for SuffolkHorn Strong black coffees for Bragi Norway and zen Black coffee half hot half cold and no sugar for Charlie Tea for BHD jsybarry jerzeypie Lloydinio NZ and BCFCRed Hot chocolate with marshmallows for BBW Tea with skimmed milk and no sugar for GG Caramel latte for Hornette This is good. http://mbl.is/sport/enski/2012/05/09/england_hefur_afsokun_fyrir_sloku_gengi/ England hefur afsökun fyrir slöku gengi Graham Taylor, fyrrverandi þjálfari enska landsliðsins à fótbolta, telur að England gæti komið á óvart á EM à sumar þar sem liðið er nú þegar komið með góða afsökun fyrir slæmu gengi. Roy Hodgson tók við liðinu bara à sÃðustu viku en fram að þvà hafði England verið þjálfaralaust eftir að Fabio Capello sagði starfi sÃnu laus à febrúar. Taylor telur þó að England geti gert vel á EM sem fram fer à Póllandi og ÃkraÃnu. „Leikmennirnir og Roy lÃka eru nú þegar komnir með afsökun ef illa gengur. Ãegar svo ber við er ótrúlegt hversu vel manni gengur oft,“ segir Taylor sem sjálfur þjálfaði landsliðið með litlum árangri. „Enska liðið fær afskaplega lÃtinn tÃma til að stilla saman strengi með nýjum þjálfara. Ãað vitum við öll. En ef liðið stendur sig ekki vel verður það ekki þvà að kenna. Ãað verður enska knattspyrnusambandinu að kenna. Ãvà er alltaf kennt um allt,“ segir Graham Taylor. England has excuse for poor run Graham Taylor, former England boss in football, believes that England might be surprised at Euro last summer where the team has already established a good excuse for a poor run. Roy Hodgson took over the team just last week, but until then England coaching job had been vacant after Fabio Capello resigned in February. Taylor believes that England can do well at Euro conducted in Poland and Ukraine "The players and Roy also already have brought an excuse if goes badly. It's amazing how succesful a person often is with this situation, "said Taylor, who was already trained the squad with little success. The English team gets very little time to prepare with a new coach. It's what we all do. But if the team is not doing well it is not to blame. It will be the Football Association to blame. The team is always blamed for everything, "says Graham Taylor.
Morning all, blue sky with a current temperature of 20C. Just what is needed as there are some things that have to be done before we head south tomorrow for a couple of weeks. I was interested to read the other day that France had deported 40,000 people who were here "without papers", or were suspected of having links to terror organizations during 2011. There is not a lot of noise made about these people getting moved away, so why does it seem to be a problem in the UK? Has the UK justice system just gone overboard in it's attempts to be fair, or do the French have borders that are far more open to people coming in? Certainly I can move around most of Europe without needing a passport, but to get in or out of England is becoming a pain.
No probs with that but if countries like France and Germany pulled their weight ,we wouldnt have to There has been more Norwegian military involvement in Libya and Afghanistan than french and german ,this from a nation of 5million! Sometimes I think the Germans have got it sussed sort themselves out and screw everybody else!
Lucky bugger. It's freezing up here again - more snow forecast too. Wouldn't mind a bit of sunny R&R myself. Am feeling miserable at the moment, having strained a back muscle on Monday I can barely stand up & walk never mind get on board a plane. I think that the contentious issue is whether they are all our problems to sort out! Like most countries around the world - apart from Australia apparently - we have our own problems at home to sort out & really don't need to be pretending that we are Yanks by sticking our noses into the business of others in all corners of the world. For my money, the old adage that 'the best form of defence is attack' applies solely to the football field, so we should certainly not be interfering in other countries and certainly not with all guns blazing, so to speak. A quick look at the history of places such as Afghanistan should be enough to convince anyone of that.
Well what it is is that if you do not have any papers, where can you be sent? If the country you allege they are from refuse to take them....you can't just dump them in International waters. They need to sort something out...though I hope it doesn't go as far as Minority Report-esque eye scanners.
Strange that - the source of UK's legal angst appears to be the desire to comply with ECHR, which sits in France! Has the thought crossed your mind that, given that you can travel across Europe with impunity, the 40,000 deportees may actually be a lot less than that? I have this image in my mind of a hundred or so Muslim terrorists being deported one day, coming back the next, being deported again the next day, coming back the next..........
I agree with you about the French, although they did have some undercover soldiers arrested aiding the Rebels in Syria recently and they dropped weapons by air to assist in arming the rebels in Lybia. They did offer aid to Iraq War but withdrew it. But in Germany's defence they have been in Afghanistan since 2002 and supply the third largest number of troops (about 5,000) after USA & UK and have had 55 of their soldiers killed. I know it is a lot less than our contribution but at least it is a contribution.
Ha ha - no Charlie - I was always small so if there was bullying it would have been me being bullied. Thankfully though I went to civilised schools where bullying was prevented - not that it happened much in my days to my knowledge. Cavemen had to rely on force to solve issues - we have evolved from there and I do not think that we should pretend that going in with force solves very much. There are rare occasions - Second World War for example - where you do not have the luxury of a choice. However in Iraq we were the bullies and in Afghanistan we are propping up an evil regime. It would be nice if life were as simple as you make it out to be. If we could all recognise the bullies and "police" them. Life is not like that - one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist - viz Israel post WW2 and South Africa under Apartheid. It is arrogant for the British to believe they are the anti bullies champion. We are not. We get involved in conflict to promote our weapons as much as anything else. We are not the World's Fourth largest power or economy so do not need to be the 4th largest on defence expenditure. Is North Korea at risk? - yet they spend on e third of what we do. We pretend to be the good guys as do the Americans but in truth we just serve what we see to be our self interest - and we make our young men pay the price - and then we "compensate" them by having poppy days. It is sheer hypocrisy. I know you were a policeman and this clearly colours a lot of your views - as would having been in the forces - fair enough - but the police do not use force and brutality (except rare rogue individuals) - they are most effective when they use calm, reason and diplomacy. Norway - I assume you were making your comment as a pure joke / and or provocation as I cannot believe any sane person would argue that we should have wars to develop technology.
The "without papers" expression actually means that they have not applied for or received acceptable French papers. If you have EU papers such as a passport then there is no problem, but many people find their way into the country from African and Middle Eastern states outside of the EU. The NF made a great play on this during the election and gathered 20% of the vote in the first round. If you come from outside of the EU and want to stay in the country then you have to go through a lengthy course, including learning the language. While you are on this course there is no state aid to help you to live, so most people have friends or relatives that support them.
I know Norway said that the seven subs rule had come back, but it may well do, but it still has to be discussed. "The Football League are to consider allowing clubs to choose from a seven-man substitutes’ bench next season. Last summer the number was reduced from seven to five ahead of the current season. Yet that decision has since been repeatedly criticised by a host of managers. Birmingham and Derby have now proposed a move back to seven, which will be voted on at the Football League’s annual meeting on May 31 and June 1."
Ãsland as I can find out has 8 people in Afganistan so that is 0.000025% of the population Germany has 0.00004% so I think we are nearly doing our share. If we were to do support at German rate we would have 13 people in Afganistan. At one time we had 17 and were responsible for Kabúl airport. We had three people injured in a bomb explosion in 2004. I comparison with the US and Britain our 8 is nothing but we do technical rescuing, like in Haiti and New Zealand.
Leo as I said earlier I respect your views, I respect but don't understand your views on the Poppy (I think we did that discussion to death before). With regards to Iraq, I was in Cyprus on holiday when Iraq marched into Kuwait and invaded the whole nation, there were 1000's of Kuwaities on the Island also on holiday that suddenly had no Nation let alone Home to go to. Sadam Hussain not only invaded but killed thousands of the Kuwaiti Citizens (Not counting the Sheite Muslems he had put to death in the south of Iraq & the Kurds in the North of Iraq - Ethnic Cleaning he called it same as somebody else in 1930's & 40's) So as part of a UN Force we went to Saudi and was involved in the Gulf War, we was not the Bullies He was the Bully. Where we went wrong was to stop at the boarder of Iraq and not destroy Sadam Hussain then. This was due to George Bush Senior saying stop. The second Gulf War was Geroge Junior trying to make up for his Father's mistake. I agree with you Leo that on this occassion we were the bullies and should not have gone. With regards to Afghanistan we went in to get Bin Laden and ended up stuck there protecting as you say a corrupt Government, the sooner we get out of Afghanistan the better. I also agree with you one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. But you spoil your argument by saying look at Israel Post WW2, yes we occupied Palestine at the time and yes our troups were being attacked by Israeli Terrorists who wanted a home land but then so did the Palastinians. After a carve up by the UN we left Israel hamstrung in as much as they boarders to Four Alien Countries and the land that they were given was in strips barely joining. However without our interference they managed to survive and expand to the nation they are today. They are attacked by terrorist now from the Arab Nations that say they want their land back. Who is right. Likewise with South Africa, I don't remember sending in Uk troups to crush the Apartheid Government, we did join UN in sanctions against them, yes but no troups. But to say one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter - are you saying it is okay to kill another person if their beliefs are different from your own. Yes Leo you do put forward a good arguement and yes as I stated before I respect your views, but why so much venom and why can you not respect the views of others if they differ from your own?
I bow to your superior knowledge on most things Ak but unless the Germans pulled out of Afghanistan last month they have nearly 5,500 troups and Police in Afghanistan.
morning all...sorry, i've been a bit quiet this week...it's been a hectic one! Hopefully i'll get some time tomorrow coz today won't be much better (though a little bit!) As i look back, i see there's been some discussion going on! I'll read back when i get a sec . Have a great day one and all, see you in a bit!
