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That Magic Goal!

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by pass&move, May 2, 2012.

  1. Fair enough pal <ok>
     
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  2. suarezlfc

    suarezlfc Active Member

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    It's not 100% then, is it? Just admit that much. It might be 95% intended, but it isn't 100%.
    The lengths I have to go to just to get you to admit you were even slightly wrong about something.
     
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  3. suarezlfc

    suarezlfc Active Member

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    Didn't realise it was you who scored??
     
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  4. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    The shot was 100% meant, how it turned out, well nobody can predict that, a beachball could blow onto the pitch for all we know. All he can do is strike the ball as best he can. He meant to shoot, he meant to score.

    I meant to wash up last night but as it turned out that didnt happen, the missus did instead. I 100% meant to though.
     
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  5. Hereward of Bourne

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    <doh>

    Robbing sheds must do something to the brain.
     
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  6. suarezlfc

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    When a tenuous example.
    You know what I mean by '100% intended'. Did he mean to shoot? Yes (I don't see why you're suggesting I was ever questioning this.) Did he mean to lob Cech so audaciously? No.
    If he came out and said 'I saw the keeper's position, and thought I could get the ball over him and into the far side of the net', you'd have a point. But he didn't. He said he just hit it at goal.
     
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  7. suarezlfc

    suarezlfc Active Member

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    How ironic that you're indicating I'm stupid. If you want to play that game, you've made about a dozen spelling errors in your posts so far, and seem incapable of typing a post longer than a sentence.

    Yes, I know 'it's only a forum', but the hypocrisy from you is incredible.
     
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  8. Kylo_Toure

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    Can we just all agree it was a brilliant goal, if he meant for it to swerve so much is debatable but a lot of shots of this kind are instinct and he connected the ball how he intended, its not like Rooney's overhead were it came off his shin.

    What's not debatable is what a quality player he is, also that if he hadn't scored it we would all be discussing his first goal, which was not only quality but also very much deliberate.
     
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  9. Hereward of Bourne

    Hereward of Bourne Well-Known Member

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    It's because my Dragon keeps climbing across my keyboard to get to me, can't concentrate on punctuation.
     
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  10. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Did he mean to beat Cech?

    How would he of had time to weigh up his options, a decision was made in the moment and he hit the ball. 99% of other players would not.

    How exactly did he not mean it, explain. Does Suarez picture every goal before hand and plan it to a t?

    I dont get it, many of us dont get it. He cant mean to score but not mean that shot, he can only make contact with the ball once during a shot, after that its down to a number of factors.

    A lob is a much much easier goal to score compared to what Cisse did, as is a curling top corner effort, much of the time you have a bit of thinking time, it doesnt mean you had more technique in your goal.

    Ask yourself this, what if Messi had scored it? I dont think anyone would question his intention, even if he came and said, eh, what goal, did I just play a game of football?
     
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  11. Hereward of Bourne

    Hereward of Bourne Well-Known Member

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    The word would be "Insinuating" you don't need to mention "indicating" mate, your on the lap top, not nicking yourself a Clio.
     
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    The bits in bold, in order:

    1) I HAVE explained. He meant to shoot, but he didn't mean it to go in like it did. You can't seem to get your head around this concept. Meaning to shoot/score does not mean he meant it to curl in so audaciously. That's all I'm saying. Fully intended to score, but did not fully intend it to happen in such a manner. I'm sick of repeating myself on that point, and I'm sure others are sick of seeing me say it too. What has Suarez got to do with this? I'm sure he doesn't 100% intend a lot of his goals. That's an entirely different debate.

    2) You've contradicted your own argument here. If it's down to a 'number of factors' then nobody can 100% mean anything, can they? There's always some good or bad luck. And, for the umpteenth time, I know that he DID mean to take the shot. I haven't questioned that once. I'm not suggesting that it was a lucky cross, or he just stuck a foot on it. He meant to shoot. It was a shot. I know.

    3) I personally would be saying the same had Messi done it. Yet again you're trying to make the argument something it isn't by involving the hypothetical opinion of other people.

    Yet another huge debate we've have based solely on your own misinterpretation of one of my points. It's my own fault for questioning you and expecting a response that actually makes sense, I suppose.
     
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  13. suarezlfc

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    1) Why is there a capital 'I' in a word that occurs in the middle of a sentence?
    2) You're.
    3) laptop.
    4) I think you'll find 'indicating' (meaning suggesting, or pointing out) has the same effect as 'insinuating' (meaning suggesting) in the quoted post.
     
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  14. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    You keep saying that last part but have you ever considered its you who isnt getting what I am saying.

    Let me help you out, I am feeling helpful and you are as good a person as anyone to help....

    I KNOW YOU KNOW HE 100% MEANT TO SHOOT.

    Clear?

    Good

    Right, my point and where we seem to differ greatly is what happens after he hits the ball. I am simply saying that he meant to strike the ball towards goal and he meant to score just as you agree, Cisse has full control of the shot right upto the point the ball leaves his foot. No player, none, regardless of who the are can say with certainty what will happen after the ball leaves their foot. Wind, defenders, Keepers and other factors play a part in it. What a player does is hit the ball using their ability and skill towards goal. They can have a bit impact on what happens next, lets call it paving the way or whatever feels right for you, but ultimately its very much out of their hands from then.

    So when I say he meant it, I mean he meant what he can control, the shot.

    The messi bit and the gerrard bit earlier are purely because some people judge things on their views of a player. For example Ronaldo and Messi doing the same thing will always have some saying Messi's was better. Not for any reason other than they like Messi. Not that I am saying you dont like Cisse mind.
     
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  15. terrifictraore

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>

    You really do think he meant it don't you?

    <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  16. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Did I not make it clear enough? I do apologise.
     
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    I think Suarez does, that's why he misses a lot. He tries to do a perfect finish and something spectacular and doesn't always come off.
     
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  18. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    Interesting. If true I wonder if this perhaps hampers him a little. I would imagine he would picture the goal in his mind before hand and that could cause that split second delay/distraction in some cases.
     
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  19. terrifictraore

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    Erm.... well, it was probably about six foot wide of were he was aiming, had a completely different shape to what he intended and needed some hapless keeping to let it in.

    But yes other than that, he completely meant it!
     
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  20. Manobear

    Manobear I love cheeseburgers

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    Was Tim Howard's goal against Bolton in the league of FA Cup? Either way it was better than Saurez's goal.
     
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