Wigan have to play Wolves at home and Blackburn could be down when they play them. They are experienced battlers AND in form. 37-39 points Villa should get a point off Norwich, Spuds, WBA. 37-40 points Bolton have four games to get four points: Sunderland Spurs WBA and Stoke 37-39 points QPR must get a point at Chelsea and beat Stoke; and maybe even get a point at City... Liked Selhurst park, used to take 10k plus when Wombles played there
No one gave a **** about his off the field antics mate, as it was they what he did on the pitch that mattered. The POINT is that he is now ****ing up on the pitch, but not in any sort of innocuous fashion...saying the words ****ing black **** are not acceptable to me, and are not acceptable when they are broadcast to billions live on TV and bring our club into disrepute. I also do not accept that kneeing an opponent off the ball in the biggest game of the year to date when we have just conceded as being a minor misdemeanour., or the responsible actions of a man who is captain of the club and haunted by his previous failure in the competition. We showed great resolve to get through that game, and the players deserve huge credit, but they did it despite his actions. The guy has been amazing for us, but he also seems to now believe that he is the club, and I do not like that in any way shape or form. You may have supported Chelsea since 74, I don't really care, it is irrelevant...I was born in '74, good isn't it?? You have your view and I appreciate that, but this is mine and hence why I started the thread. This is a forum for that sort of thing after all. And I have never read the Sun in my life.
The problem with posters like fevriul, is that they only read the bits of posts that they want to. A bit like the type down the pub that go "yeah, yeah, yeah" when you are talking, then just say what they want regardless. Like to talk, find it difficult to listen or take notice of anyone or anything else. 5W6 is spot on with his post. I do read the Sun (when I'm on holiday), because it makes me laugh.....and there are sometimes pretty girls with nice boobies in there
And the problem with posters like crocarno and 5W6 are they are the find of supporters who think that the league started in 1992, and that whats written in the papers is gospel. Here's some info from a person who actually spent tie with John Terry, so how about you read it, and then both of you go do one! http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/chel...-another-less-gimpish-side-to-john-terry.html "As football fans, we don’t get a lot of opportunities to judge a player’s persona, all we get is stuff from the newspaper and other medias and of course how the player acts on the football pitch. It’s normal that our feelings towards them are based on those things, since we don’t know them personally. But unfortunately this can be very deceiving. Sometimes reporters can have a lot of propaganda. They could have had an argument with the player, be friends with his ex-wife or support a rival club. When a player steps on the field on a Saturday the whole world watches him play under the pressure of his life. Players, managers and supporters have all been waiting for this moment – kick off. It’s abnormal to judge people’s behaviour under these circumstances. Do you think that when Gary Neville wins a game of hide and seek with his daughter he yells at his wife “Come on!!!!” while he holds on to his shirt like he did in front of Liverpool supporters at Old Trafford? I think not. When you are around the training ground you get to see the players in their true form. Some of them surprise and charm you while others dissappoint you. This would also be the case if you meet someone in real life. The fact that footballers are famous does not make them any different. They just have talent in a specific field just like doctors or architects. Some of them are good people, others are not. The year 2002, I was 17 and had been injured for eight months. I usually had to train twice as much to be in form. I trained with several players during rehabilation and since John Terry was facing injury as well I trained a lot with him. We trained together for three or four weeks before he began to play again and prove himself as the number one center-back in the first team. After this, John always observed how I was doing with my injury and he wished me good luck for my first game after 11 months of rehabilation. Unfortunately in that first game I got heavily injured again and had to go to surgery three days later. When the physio came to visit me he said that ‘JT’ had asked if I could get vacation and he even asked Graeme (Le Saux) if they could use the ‘discipline fund’ (money collected if a player comes to training late and such) from the first team to pay for my vacation. I couldn’t believe it. After staying home for ten days, I went to the training ground and John was there. He asked how I was doing and then said “Me and Graeme have arranged for you to go to a vacation, you can go wherever you want, with your friend or your brother, you deserve something good. Just think about where you want to go, this isn’t your money! Just let us know how much it costs and we will arrange it. I didn’t know what to say other than ‘thank you’. I talked to the youth and reserve coaches and they told me it was probably best for me to take the vacation. One of the reserve coaches said that I still had that ‘hospital color’ because I was as white as a ghost. I lost a lot of blood in the surgery and it showed in my face. My mother had also just had surgery so she could use a a little break from work. That’s why I wanted to take her with me. It was October so I needed to find ‘some place hot’ like John advised me to do. The one place close that was hot enough was Southern Spain and because this wasn’t my money I didn’t want to take advantage of the generosity from John. So, the next day during practice I said to John “Is it okay if me and my mother go to Sevilla over the weekend?” His answer was, “Come on Tills! You can go wherever you want for free, why do you want to go there? It won’t even be hot. Look at it again, go to the Caribbean or something, you can sit at the beach without having to worry how much it is going to cost, we will make sure of it.” So I went and checked again and found a good offer for a trip to Tobago. I talked to my physio for a few days and he said “It’s fine, just talk to JT.” I still felt for bad spending other people’s money, I had never done that before. So naturally I was a little nervous when I was talking to John, telling him about the trip I had in mind. And what did John say? ”No problem, good choice! Just give me the info and we’ll pay it.” He arranged everything and the day before I was leaving for the trip he called me over in the dressing room. “Tills, your going tomorrow, right?” He went to his pocket and took out £100. ”Here, some pocket money to spend”. I said that I couldn’t accept it. He asked again and again I refused. Then he stood up and said “you’re not going anywhere until you accept this!”. I had no choice. When I came back from the trip, I was renewed and a large part of the reason was that I was finally ready to play football again, 6 months after my surgery. In my first game after the injury (in the youth team) we were playing Crystal Palace at our training ground. The first team wasn’t suppose to have training until 3pm but our game was at 10am. John came to see me play, 5 hours before his training. He came just to see if I would get through the game, which happened. He certainly didn’t have to do that, but he did. When by brother Joe was in the youth team, John paid for driving lessons for every single player in the youth team because he knew how expensive it was when you only get £80-a-week in wages. The youth players just had to tell him how much it cost and John paid it the next day. At that time, when the youth players were cleaning the first team players’ boots, everyone wanted to get one of the ‘sharks’ – John, Frank Lampard, Jody Morris, etc – because they gave the highest christmas bonuses. Some players didn’t give any bonuses even though the youth players had cleaned they’re boots for six months. John didn’t only give high bonuses, but he even paid for the youth players fines if he thought they were being treated unfairly. Of course, he told them not to tell a soul. John has never forgotten what it was like to be a player in the youth team and he is the perfect captain. He was always available if you wanted to talk to him. He always asked every youth player how they were doing in the team. If he heard that you played well in a match, he congratulated and encouraged you. He really had an interest. He never forgot the young players. He was always monitored the youth players, including me. For instance, he found an agent for me that I signed with. When youth players traveled with the first team he always made sure that they got their bonuses, that made a lot of difference in their paychecks. He helped them adapt and welcomed them into a new environment. On the pitch and the training ground he was magnificent, he had an heart like a lion. He trained after practices, always did that little extra. We really looked up to him. It wasn’t just the youth players either. There are endless stories of his kindness and generosity, stories that never left the training ground. One of them stands out: We had an old masseuse called Al. One day his car broke down for good. He said that he couldn’t attend training sessions anymore because it was very difficult for a man of his age to use public transport. One day after practice, John told him to go to the parking lot and close his eyes. When he opened them he saw a brand new car. John had asked every player in the first team to chip in to buy Al a new car. The old man started to cry. This all happened before Roman Abramovich and before John was a superstar and started making big money. Last year Al got seriously sick and had to be in a hospital. When John found out, he immediately contacted him. Al was flattered to hear from him, and his wife was delighted that John had taken the time to think about him. John visited Al regularly until he passed away and John, of course, attended his funeral. Marcel Desailly – the Chelsea captain before him – didn’t do anything like the things John did. He couldn’t care less about the young players or anyone else in the club for that matter. As a player he was impeccable, but as a captain he did nothing and wasn’t even close to what John is. In my first and second year in the youth team it was our job to get signed shirts from players from the first team, those shirts where then sent to fans or to a charity. We all stood in a row in the hallway before practices when the first team players walked passed us and then they signed the shirts. When Mr. Desailly came, he usually pretended to be on the phone so he didn’t have to do anything. We were like “Marcel, uuuuuumm, Marcel, could you please…..” and then he was gone. Disappointment. Some players cause you a lot of disappointment when you meet them personally. They also do that in daily life. John has, of course, had a few problems off the pitch that have gotten a lot of press, but I will always remember how he treated me when I was a teenager. No one else would have done that or even thought about doing it. He is no saint, but there is a reason why Chelsea fans, players and staff look at John Terry as a real leader.”
Interesting article- taken on its own you could be forgiven for thinking JT was the modern JC! He's a complex character, needs looking after himself really. It's an odd one, when you take into account his parents it's a surprise he is not more of a scumbag.
What alarms me is that you use your support to such an extent that all others are lesser people because you've been there longer and "evidently" know more...you sound like Ellers on the QPR board... All that says to me is that you've not really bothered to digest what has really been said in this thread... I'm 38 and been around for a while, but as I said to you before, who gives a ****, it isn't relevant... It is my opinion, which I am entitled to, as much as you are yours and I respect that...don't belittle me with your bullshit.
Fevirul, No one is arguing that JT cares about his players and is a good leader. On the pitch he has been a legend (Barca sending off excluded) The point people were making is that some of his off field antics have brought negative media attention to the club and at times could have possibly affected our teams performances. I think a definate case could be made for last seasons 4-2 loss to City at the Bridge immediately after the Wayne Bridge/Vanessa Peroncel thing. There was definately a funk in the air surrounding our squad for that game. Just an edit to add that I understand his leadership has equally had a positive affect on our teams performances at times, more often than not in fact. People were just making a point and saying that he needs to cut the bad stuff out of his antics because it is tarnishing what is otherwise a glittering career. And trust me....no one believes everything that is said in the Red top papers....so please dont even suggest such a thing.
Well said "young " Watford. Every problem John Terry has, every time he lets someone down, every time he gets himself into trouble, every time he compounds his troubles and does it again,....... everything points to the fact he has absolutely no social conscience, no sense of right or wrong, and is simply a simpleton with hedonistic leanings, and doesn't give a flying fcuk who he hurts, who he abuses, uses, destroys, slanders, beats up ,or disrespects. He is able to rise above it all, and someone will make it all go away. Total , absolute cnut scum.
And opinions are like A*sehole's everyones got one, you seem to have two, with the other one being between your ears, now jog off and go support fulham you annonying little t*t and while you at it , google the phrase "sanctimonious" , thats if you have the IQ for it!
Well I'd rather listen to someones whose actually spent time with him, than the opinions of Oliver holt, talksport and the like, but hey what the hell, anyway, I'm out of here, this thread is filled with too many red top reading morons, who seem to live in double glaszed glass houses for my liking!
This is a forum for opinions to be discussed, not thrown in the trash like you're doing with some peoples. Never mind petty insults on top of that. You haven't read anybody's thoughts properly and merely sat there with your blue tinted specs on in outrage that we dare question the motives of a man who is a bit of a tit off the field and has started to bring his childish behaviour onto it. You won't be missed
There you go again, same old abusive bollocks...well then... Get to **** you silly ****, open the other lid when you get a minute as it's the one eyed **** like you that gives us all a bad name...the 80's were 30 years ago, drag your stupid arse into the 21st Century where people have realised that blind loyalty is for the truly ****ing stupid amongst us. Ta ta.
After reading Drogs ,sw6's and a few others last couple of comments, thought id check out Fevriuls profile and the first thing that caught my eye was '' Fevriul Has not made any friends yet'' Lol
What thoughts?? you having a laugh? all thats been talked on this thread is gossip that would be an insult to Hello! What I have stated which seems to have escaped your attentsion, is that neither me, NOR ANYONE ELSE on this threadm has ever even talked him! I actually put up an article on someones whose actually met and worked with the man, but all you seem concerned with is how far you can place your tougne up the rear end of 5W6's backside! What did you think would have, when some Streak of Phish on the chelsea part of the forum, starts up a thread with "John Terry - Captain, Leader...Bell end.", I have to put up with enough biased, red top, Gossip mag rubbish from other teams supporters, most of the scum press without coming onto the one place , were Chelsea fans can get together to have one of our SUPPOSED FANS SLAGGING off are Captain, because of his preceived personal image. GTF I have never once seen him put in less the a 100% for the club, I'm not going to castigate him for mistakes on the field becuase every single player for chelsea has done a feck up in their time for the club, and I'm not going just stay slient while some "SUPPORTER" slags off one of our players, based on news paper stories! "we dare question the motives of a man who is a bit of a tit off the field" ... Class , 10 years of service, gods knows how many broken bones, kicks to the face , stamps, last ditch tackles for ther club thats what you get, hey you don't like him , you think he's a disgrace to the club, then how about you , you toddle off got support Arsenal , I here there all about class, and while you at it, you can take that Thump up and shove it where the sun don't shine!
Wow you rate you life on how many forum friends you have? let em guess, sitting in your understands in your mothers basement, typing while, wondering if you will ever lose your virginity
It's getting pretty tiresome listening to your biased drivel now so I'll let this be my last post to you. So what if we've never talked to him? I've haven't talked to any famous people but I still know some are ****ers. If you'd bothered to read on from the title you'd see how I'd said we are grateful for all the work he's done at Chelsea, he's still considered a legend and his work on the field is nothing short of amazing. It's off the field that bothers me and evidently other Chelsea fans too and 5W6's point was that he started to bring the silly behaviour that he's criticised outside of Chelsea onto the field in the Barca game. I agree the press go way over the top at times but my opinions are not based on their stories. He is standing trial for RACISM, something I can't stand and like I said I will stand by him until proven guilty but if he turns out to be guilty, he should be sacked. End of story. I did read the article, I read it months ago. I even made a thread on here about it recently and it's a brilliant read. Your last paragraph is an absolute ****ing joke to be honest. Don't dare question my support for Chelsea when you've never met me, you've been nothing but sanctimonious yet you've accused others of behaving that way. I have not once on here said he is a 'disgrace to our club' you've completely taken what I and anyone else has said out of context. Some people on here have made excellent points and if you bothered to remove your head from your arse you'd be able to accept that everyone has an opinion and that yours isn't necessarily the right one. Mong.
We are all Chelsea fans here, well mostly and there's no need to get abusive. If your the age you say you are then act it and debate without losing it. Please respect others opinions as they respect yours or at least agree to disagree otherwise it will all go bandy.
