Eh up, lads. We're all wrong all the time, we're all deluded. All this time we've been distorting the information of our senses and been coming to the wrong conclusions. But thankfully the great Messiah is around to show us the error of our ways. We should take heed and be grateful, for we are all intellectual dwarfs in comparison. Come on, give it a rest mate, it's just getting silly.
You make my point for me idiot. If your rationale was not the one that I stated then there would be no reason to have started the same thread on another board! You really should grow up
Should I old man? Ironic coming from you dont you think. This has probably passed your slow mind by but cross board threads are not allowed. Something else that may come as a shock, Liverpool and Manchester United are clubs from England. Roy Hodgson has been approached as England manager. This makes it a topic worthy of discussion on all boards. There was no topic on here so I posted the news, for many pages everyone else seemed to get the idea then you can along. Have you figured out this ever so repetitive pattern yet gramps? Everyone else was fine about it.....then you come along......same in threads all over this forum. Think its telling us something dont you?
Are you addressing me? Most of you are great posters, most of us have a laugh. A small minority have an issue with every none Liverpool fan on the site. Now you tell me where the issue lies.
UIR I addressed my reasoning that you are a WUM in a previous exchange on another thread that you disappeared from so I'm not going to do it all again. I'll quickly point to your last post as a perfect example of you throwing in cliched attacks on LFC. Not once have I made any of the stances you propose as LFC fans stances. And THAT'S the proof of an alterior motive. It always boils down to the same responses when someone disagrees with you. You shout "victim" and "paranoia". I can assure you I'm neither. I find it interesting that those that come on here for the wind always talk in terms of "all of us" versus "the little group" as if by saying it makes it true & adds weight to their utterances. I have absolutely no problem with non LFC posters or alternate views on subjects posted here. Again I gave examples of this in our previous exchange. I don't even remotely want you banned as you have every right to be here and you have every right to do what you are doing. But I have a right to call you on it. As for "on topic" I gave my view on Roy in my first response to you. The fact that you seemed more interested in my reaction to you is just as telling. I think I'll keep any exchange public if that's alright with you. Both my original posts on Roy & you are relevant here not in a pm.
If I wanted to wum you guys please be aware it would be incredibly easy to do so. So when I say I am not a wum let that be the end of it. I have a thread to give you guys stick, I made the thread as at the time both boards were overrun by idiots and it gave a place for petty squabbles, difference of opinion and general banter to be dished out. When I say a minority have the problem its because they do. There are a number of posters on here who I have never had an issue with, we even go as far as to get along pretty well for forum members. The fact a small number dont like me being here is of no concern to me at all. The fact 2 or 3 posters think I am a wum is of even less concern. Like I say, if I wanted to be a WUM I could be. I offer my opinion, sometimes I am wrong and if so I will say so, even if I have argued my point for ages ( yeh, its happened ). I fail to see how this thread can be considered a wind up. I posted a major story on your board as it was likely to be a talking point for you guys. Everyone is aware of what you guys think. Earlier in the thread everyone gave Roy stick but I made a few points, points that even I was unaware of to add to the discussion. For many pages all was wel, until like I said the old guy comes along. Now 4deck has had an issue with me since he joined, not that I am bothered, he has an issue with everyone who doesnt agree with him. 4deck, davideko and to a slightly lesser extent terrif and bbf always come in and say the same old rubbish every time. If anyone is a wum its one of these 4, a wum being someone with no intention of discussing the matter at hand and only there on a wind up. Seems to fit the bill quite well. My response to these posters are to be taken as directed at them and them only, if someone speaks to me like **** then I shall return the favour.
he is the only english option, who wont cost the f.a 10m to get harry was always a big gamble, harry has only done well with money, would harry get a team like fulham to a european cup final i think not, harry is like k.k the peoples choice that ended in failure, give him a chance unlike he was given at liverpool, roy and liverpool did not go together, hopefully england he will do well, he usually does well with average players and england are the same
Anyone who can take the Swiss to 3rd in the rankings, higher than any of the recent England managers could ever dream of then hes in with a chance.
Thats the thing that puts him above 'arry. He knows the european game. He deserves every chance in the role and if people dont expect much then at least he cant disappoint
look..he didnt do well at your club..but he is not a crap manager ask most of the other teams he has managed....he will quietly get on with the job...has experience of club football at home and abroad aswell as taking Switzerland to the world cup for the first time since the 60's and helping Finland get to their highest ranking ever of 31st...managing Inter,,getting various teams to European trophy finals..including Fulham...being offered a lifetime contract with Malmo FC......... yeah it might be personal for you boys...but i wont blame Roy...just ask yourself if you was fair to him with your backing..dont need to answer it..just ponder. good luck Roy...a proper manager......and a good man. nowadays unless we all suk Mourinhio's cok or want Pep..then nobody else exhists unless its an idol.
If you read some of the many threads about him around the time he left, you'd notice that the general consensus was that Woy was a decent guy but not right for us. Most of us wished him well, but were glad he'd gone, and still are. Good luck to him with England, he'll need it- it's a poisoned chalice if ever there was one. Fail there, and he'll have far more on his back than a few disgruntled LFC fans.
We supported him when he first came, we thought he was the guy we needed to stabilize the club. BUT he was so negative it was unreal - not even just tactically. We'd come away with a draw at home and he'd hail it a great result, we kept losing and dropped to 17th and that was where he believed we belonged - in a relegation battle - he refused to defend players in the media and he criticised the fans. So yes, of course we turned on him fast. Maybe we were harsh, but he did nothing to warrant any patience from us. I do think Dalglish gets more time from fans than he's deserved based on this year's performance, but our general playstyle is promising and alot of fans can see potential in how we play. I'm not Dalglish fan, I was too young to see him play or manage us the last time, so I judge him on what I see now. And I see more than I saw in Hodgson. With regards to the England job, I think the media will turn on him fast - just my opinion. I think we'll play Barry and Parker in the middle and sit deep playing long ball up to Rooney and hope he does something special. Rooney'll get frustrated, the fans will get frustrated and we'll draw/lose games but don't worry, Hodgson will claim we 'played well' or 'should accept that draw as a good result'.
Meh, already given up on England so its no real bother to me if/when Woy is appointed. England will still be poor at the Euro's, the current players are overrated and dont seem to be able to play together add to that England always flop when the pressure is on. The only good I see coming from this is that expectations might be lowered and that the media stop claiming Rooney is worldclass. Smart money would be on Germany to win this Euro and World Cup 2014 I'd be looking at Uruguay, Germany or even France
There is an element who now hate the guy. Almost as if they blame him for everything thats gone wrong at Liverpool. A small element I should add. You are right when you say its a poisoned chalice, hes up against it before hes even got the job but unlike club management he can get rid of trouble makers easily. Gerrard refused to play for Roy so he should never play for Roy as England manager. He needs to get the players who want to work with him and want to wear the shirt in the squad, no egos, no household names unless they are there on merit.
Oh don't get me wrong mate; a wind up only works if bitten and I'm one of the worst for biting. But let's take what you just said. You posted a thread on this board already knowing (in your own words) what our view of Roy was. So you got what you knew you would get: some of us would care, some of us wouldn't , all of us would make some reference to him being rubbish with us. Fine. All dandy. If you had just stated that you believed he'd be a good England manager & reasons why again, all would be fine. But that wasn't your goal. Your goal was to illicit the very responses you expected here so that you could tell us we were all idiots for our views on Roy and that yet again LFC fans were being stupid. Nobody was attacking you until you made your very deliberate addition to the thread: "Roy is the most successful...." you knew we wouldn't agree & you knew what/who would be thrown back at you. You're a united fan after all; you know LFC history better than most of us You then descended very quickly into an argument on semantics "what is our time" way too quick a reaction. You also incredibly swiftly went into how wrong we were on Roy as LFC manager and how rubbish a situation we were in; non of this about the original topic(Roy for England) and all stated with the fore-knowledge of our views on Roy. You turned aggressive very quickly with very little provocation from Dave. He might have added the heat later but not before you mate. You say you've previous but you seemed to take the higher moral ground with me; why not him (in the interest of staying on topic) but no; you went just as quickly to name calling. So wether you care or not I'm stating clearly that I doubt your motives in creating and your participation in this thread and I maintain that it continues a pattern for your contributions on the LFC board. I liked the idea of the banter thread & congratulate you on its creation. I personally don't contribute much. By all means continue to post. We may even agree at some point, in fact that's the trouble you too often repeatedly preach to a group who already identify their own clubs faults & say so. To keep on going after that creates suspicion of Wummery.
Thanks, a fair point and one made without referring to me is some derogatory manner. I see where you are coming from and I can see why LFC fans have an issue with him. I will say that during the period Roy was in charge you couldnt of expected too much, maybe he set his standards so low as to help the club through tough times and it didnt sit well with anyone as it was a new alien sort of way to look at things. In many ways you could look at Roys time at Liverpool much like Rafas at Inter. Wrong man, wrong job, wrong time, wrong attitude. Not every job works for every manager.
The reference to him being the most successful was correct. If we consider our time being the hear and now and compare all the records of all current english managers in the game today his is the best. I posted it because I was quite shocked to learn it, I also posted it at the same time on the thread on the United board. I have added a few posts to the thread as and when I learnt of them myself. My reaction was a direct response to the old guy, I tend to look out for certain posters and address their ramblings right away as to try and get back to the point, I cannot prevent some posters having a problem with me, its an issue you need to discuss with them. I am fully aware when I get into these silly little spats with some posters I do get very aggressive at times and can sometimes been seen to direct it towards all LFC fans. Thats not the case. If this thread or any thread/post of mine does breach the boards rules I have no issue with it being closed or removed. If it was the majority of your board who had the problem then fair enough, the fact is its 3 or 4 and usually only 1 or 2 of them at anyone time who have the issue. See how me and you have had a normal discussion about it all?
yes i do agree with you but i see many Pool fans who just wont entertain the guy...as for the job being a poisoned chalice and his imminent destruction by the criminal media of this country..then spot on.
We could have expected him to want to do better. If you aim for mediocrity, that's the best you'll get. Aim high and fall short you'll still be better off. I'll say it again- it was his attitude, his lack of ambition, that let him, and the club down. I really think that all of us who have so far contributed to this thread have said all we can, we know each others views and it's pointless repeating them in another form all the time.
