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I am a bit confused so do most of you want harry to go or stay? yes or no please

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by fulham traveller, Apr 29, 2012.

  1. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Well-Known Member

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  2. BajanSpur

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    The thing is., Spurs had been playing extremely well during the first half of the season and the press/media had always wanted an English manager take over from Capello. In their (the media) view (excuse the pun), it was always going to be a streight race between Hodgson or Harry for the helm.

    Hodson had all the right credentials but his WBA were not performing too good in the premership and Harry had the right persona but the FA wanted more confidence in his credentials (ie CL) so they watched and waited.

    The Book Makers picked up on this and made Harry the 'odds on' favorite to replace Capello on the bases of a rampant Spurs team. We all know that Bookies selden lose their money, and so the hype gethered pace. Harry also fancied the job and started to audition by producing some (odd) tactical rearangements to the Spurs team and even odder team selections,. which proved to be the wrong thing to do. His auditioning started too early IMO and it now appears, that the last two months results, here at Spurs, has been desastrous for both Spurs and Harry's ambitions..... but all is not yet lost.

    Spurs might yet get Champion League and Harry might yet become Enland manager.. one day.
     
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  3. Cb

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    Provided England is well and truly out of his head I would think you should keep him of for nothing else his shrewd dealings in the transfer market and he's also giving chances to the youth set up...though someone should tell him to be less eccentric when it comes to tactics! Btw any of you know how Souleman coubalaye is doing heard a lot about him?
     
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  4. Spursguru

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    Originally I would have said "no", we should do everything to keep him. But now i'm indifferent.

    I don't see why we should look to keep a manager that has touted his desire to leave, but then get rid of players that have more talent in their fingers than Harry has ever shown as a manager, like Berbs, Carrick or now Modric or Bale when they say they might want to go.

    Harry showed us very litle loyalty, so can't see how he can turn to a player and suggest they stick with us, for less than they could get at other teams when he wouldn't.

    Plus his tactical ineptitude is really annoying in terms of rotation, player training, set piece training or formations. The idea of getting someone of proven quality like Cappello in was growing on me.
     
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  5. Roo

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    My stance is no different.

    Just like everyone else has stated, we've been shown no loyalty from our manager when we needed him the most. In addition, he's made comments about players leaving at possibly the worst time ever, when he's restored no faith in the fans or the players over his own future! it's terrible behaviour from someone who's supposed to be leading a team and setting an example.

    it's all getting very interesting now though. "Woy" looks set for the England Job and 'Arry don't look best pleased!

    Sorry Redknapp, it looks your 5am trips from sandbanks to spurs lodge, are due to continue!
     
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  6. SpursDisciple

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    Has he though? There is a lot of opinion dressed up as fact on here. We think he would have taken the England job and we think he was actively pursuing it, but we don't know this. For all we know he may have been approached and said no. The FA did say they would be approaching more than one candidate.
     
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  7. KingHotspur

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    HD have u not seen Redknapps press conferences since Capello left?

    Redknapp has openly lusted after the England job, put down our fans, transfer policy, wage structure and more.
     
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  8. Inda

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    I don't even see how Harry was "actively pursuing" it. There was no job advert for him to reply to. I doubt he even has a typed CV. Begging the FA down the phone doesn't seem to be his style either.

    Harry sat on the fence, just like Roy. Keeping your options open is never a bad stance in life. Being made to sound hypocritical or foolish by the media is not a trap the old boys will fall into either.

    And now it turns out that Harry was telling the truth all along. He hadn't been approached. He hadn't been given a decision to make.


    A large majority of people have been sucked in by one or two sound-bites; the biggest being "what Englishman wouldn't like to manage England?"
     
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  9. Dier Hard

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    Stay 100%.

    Was delighted to see Hodgson got the approach.
     
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  10. SpursDisciple

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    But he would say the same sort of things last year or before Capello quit. I hate some of his gobby interviews with a passion, but they are about self promotion not necessarily about getting a particular job. Not saying this is my view, but it is a possible interpretation.
     
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  11. No Kane No Gain

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    As others have said his flirting with the England job has killed some of the immediate loyalty I'd have shown for him. If he gets us CL football I think we have to keep him and I'd be very happy for us to have him next season. If he doesn't, however, I think it'd be a good time to change things around. 'Arry is not a long term manager for us and with some rebuilding needing to be done I'd rather we got someone in who could still be here in 5 years time to start shaping the squad how they want.
     
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  12. Spursguru

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    Harry is not shy in letting the Media know his thoughts, if he was going to stay at Spurs he could easily have come out and said that, regardless of whether the FA had aproached him or not. He was either fishing for a pay rise, or a new job.

    Utd fans turned on trophy winning Rooney when he did it, so why should Harry be exempt from our scorn? if he wants to stick out his contract and earn our trust and love again then fine, but I can't deny i've grown weary of his constant media drivel.
     
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    Louis van Gaal is available.
    After the Euros, Laurent Blanc will be available.
    Frank Rijkaard may be available after failing to get Saudi Arabia remotely near World Cup qualification.

    And that's before considering clauses in contracts. Carlo Ancelotti has admitted he has a release clause if the Real Madrid job comes up, so what other clauses does he have - considering he stated he wanted to return to England, there could feasibly be one in his contract for a Premier League job.
     
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    Most if not all of us expected rednapp to leave at the end of the season when cappello was due to finish...this became a certainty in Feb so understandably we have wondered who would come next. I want redknapp to stay but ....
    I dont blame those his commitment to our club and more importantly worry this decision not to offer it to him will either badly affect him or will damage us in the very near future when the knives are out for Hodgson and the Harry for England bandwagon gets going again.
     
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  15. Music On The Samways

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    I did want him to stay but after the same issues as last year not being addressed by Harry it makes me wonder if he'll ever learn from his mistakes. Old dog, new tricks and all that.

    He has done great for us so if he can stop making excusses and gets on with his job then Yes I would like him to stay.
     
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  16. The only viable (for me) case that could possibly be made for Harry staying is that he will hold the squad together, if we don't make the CL. Now, even putting aside his slack-gob comments in the press about Modric having his head turned if £ity offer him £250k pw (even though £ity had not even remotely hinted at any such thing), that would still leave us with the problem that is running the current squad of players into the ground, and doesn't appear to know what to do with the other half of the squad.

    I'm sorry, but I no longer have any faith in him. Yes, I'm sure he'd keep us in the top 6, but I want more than that. Or, at the very least, if we are going to keep missing out on CL footy, I want a manager who has the ability to develop our youth, which Harry clearly doesn't.
     
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  17. Spurf

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    What will Levy do is perhaps the more important question. He has burnt his fingers before with management changes so he will be a little reluctant to make changes unless he has to.

    If we get CL then Harry will have a job for next season (assuming he wants it.) If not! then Levy may continue with plans that he may possibly be working on for management change.

    Personally, I am non committal about Harry I do not feel any loyalty towards him, my only concern is who comes next as change is always hit and miss. He has provided us with a very good squad and some very good performances but at the moment we have won nothing. To be honest I have no great confidence that he will continue to move us on from a top 5 side, which after all we were before he came.
     
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  18. fulham traveller

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    i suppose if he gets 4th most people are happy with him, if he finishes 5th it could ne bye bye harry
     
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  19. If we get 4th AND if Chelsea don't win the CL final, I'd be prepared to put aside my differences and give Harry another season, and I suspect that most Spurs fans will feel the same.

    However, that doesn't mean to say that a lot of us feel that Harry not only let a golden opportunity slip for an easy 3rd placing, but that we should have been title contenders. Finishing 4th was a minimum return for this season, and here we are on the brink of blowing it.
     
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  20. Chirpy rides again

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    The ONLY talk about Harry for England has come from the media and some players. Harry has said what any Englishman would say. If England come calling you don't say no, (even if you are Paul Scholes or anybody else who thinks that their club or their career is bigger than England.) As an Englishman, that is what I want to hear. THAT is what I would say. We have, frankly, been sounding like a bunch of Mancs or Scousers, thinking that our club is bigger than the national team. Far from it, it shows a parochial, provincial small mindedness. The fact that anybody puts England first should NOT be a surprise! It is the pinnacle of most players careers.

    The form of our players can be explained by the speculation surrounding Harry. Who wouldn't feel unsettled? What the twats at the FA should have done is told Harry he wasn't in the frame so he could let the squad know and we could carry on as we were. They are the villains here. Harry has kept quiet about it. As far as Harry's loyalty is concerned, I think we need to take a long, hard look at ourselves before digging him out....
     
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