Are you telling me that you think top clubs with a multi-million pound, worldwide scouting system rely on a game database that was created with a limited budget? The game does have a good database (I have played every version since '93) but their stats are not a good way to judge a player, if they were players like Keirrison, who was one of the best strikers to buy in the game a few years ago, would be one of the best strikers in the world right now instead of the player he is now that has struggled to make an impact during any of his many loan spells.
Not to mention Freddy Adu, Bakayoko... the list goes on. Did hear about a lower league manager singing a player (striker I think) after his son played FM and told him his contract was running out. But yeah judging a player on a game = Dumb.
Im sorry is that mean to to be constructive? Are you implying having a trial means FM got it right? or agreeing that like most players on FM he was massively overrated? Or did you just look him up on Wikipedia and decide to share that nugget in an effort to appear knowledgeable?
No, i just thought i'd tell you that's all, i didn't even look it up on wikipedia because i already knew.
It's not just about potential, I know you want to defend your use of FM to show how good a player is, but many players ingame stats are just way off, you just have to take a look at some players in the game to see that, for example compare Chamakh (hugely overrated) with Van Persie (hugely underrated), or John Fleck (hugely overrated) with Demba Ba (hugely underrated) and you'll see what I mean.
Brilliant. I could easily go on wikipedia and edit the page to say Matth signed for Manchester Utd and scored 10 goals on his debut. Infact I might do it!
Yeah I can just imagine Fergie loading up FM now and scouring the database for CM's to have scouted. Oh wait, its a stupid idea. Only have to look at the stats they give lumplard year after year to know they don't do any actual scouting but base everything on reputation.
I was talking about FM12, Chamakh had already been at Arsenal for well over a year by the time the game was released, and to be fair he was hardly setting the world on fire at Bordeaux, he was just a decent forward with a very average (at best) scoring record, now compare him with Van Persie in in FM12 and tell me both players aren't over/underrated. As for Ba, there was other manager's that have rated him (Moyes also wanted him) but his knee problems put people off, he even failed a medical at Stoke because of it if I remember correctly.
Shawn will next try and argue Marin is awesome because he saw a three minute youtube video of him doing all tricks and shiz. Actually the youtube argument would be better, its actually real.
Since you probably consider yourself a United fan and Expert in the Premier league then yes, I would say the most selective and youtube clip is worth more than your opinion. Your opinion is now worthless. It's been revoked. I hate to break this to you but football manager is not real. Managers don't use it to judge players abilities and those "attributes" of his have as much value in a discussion of his ability as ones I pulled randomly out of my arse. What your saying is Marin must be great because this guy who scouts for a football game have him X stat!! Do you even listen to yourself? This is a football forum, not cloud cuckoo fantasy land.
I've actually seen a fair amount of Marin and while I do think he could be worth a shot at that price, I honestly don't think he's anything special and I doubt he'll be any more than a squad player, I even think the FM stats you posted are slightly overrated for a player that has often struggled in Germany. He was expected to be the perfect attacking midfield replacement for Ozil after he left for Real but that turned out to be a disaster and he's struggled to hold down a first team place ever since.
Anderson is the equal of Inesta. After all here is his 2008 profile on football manager, which I have on good authority is done by real scouts and therefore factually correct. please log in to view this image Da-ym he's good! Much better than the 2012 version. please log in to view this image
I have a simpler idea for scouting. Simply see who Newcastle are watching, and sign them. Graham Carr is a scouting god. 4 million for Yohan Cabaye? Bargain.
Think this discussion's gone a bit over the top. It started as an example of somebody's stats on FM, with the poster saying something along the lines of "this is the FM scout's opinion, and it's probably worth more than your average Joe's opinion of the same player" and has turned into a slanging match. I think his point is quite valid. In fact I recall that one of the old CM scouts worked for Chelsea (not sure if it was before/after/during scouting for the game). It's their job to watch people and rate their skills. They're often wrong and sometimes correct, as are managers, scouts for clubs, and you lot.
No its not valid because, as you yourself state their often wrong. Secondly those "stats" he showed are actually crap, here's Arshavin's for example. please log in to view this image Either way basing an opinion of a player on a game is stupid.
Funnily enough I don't disagree with too many of those stats. At the start of the season I'm sure a lot of honest Arsenal fans would have given similar. No one was to know that he would be crap from then on
