Yes - all twenty years. He's been a dirty driver since he started. lol. Only one? How many has Rosberg been disqualified from? You were comparing him to Rosberg, were you not? Has Rosberg ever been black-flagged? You were comparing him to Rosberg, were you not? Not for want of trying, as I said. "Grassed him up"? It was broadcast worldwide. He didn't need 'grassing up'. His own team boss had to tell him how to drive properly – again broadcast worldwide, live – because he was blocking unacceptably. Do you have a problem with past events being discussed on a forum? Do you take issue with facts and truth being recounted? Do you mean "forget" or do you mean 'sweep under the carpet'? I have never sought to hide my opinion of Schumacher and you are well aware of it. What a silly comment.
Why should we forget the past? If you didn't look at the past and forgot his 7 WDC's, you'd wonder why Mercedes have kept him on when you look at his results for the last 2 seasons. Works both ways Manny. He is driving now becuase of his past reputation, so his other reputations come into play also.
Well done Seb! http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/12870/7710494 Was just watching the F1 show and the report from Ted Kravitz pretty much saying to me that Newey ****ed up the rear of the car. Newey was heard to be "proud" with the rectangle hole on the side of the car that would suck in air and push it out towards the diffuser. They found out that the hole it was meant to be blowing out of was flawed and was making it unstable as the air flow was not consistent. Seb pretty much directed Newey by saying it was flawed and he turned out to be right as he felt he could do better in the launch spec version which wasn't even race worthy. After it was sorted, Seb gets the pole and win at Bahrain. So full credit to Seb getting what he wanted quickly and putting his foot down with Newey who openly said that this was the course of action and that he only looks to the future, WRONG! It looks like Seb might of saved RBR's season here people by pretty much forcing Newey to think again. All the talk of he shouldn't defy Newey and that he would have to deal with it all season turned out to be wrong. In the end Newey shouldn't of defied what Seb felt was wrong with the car as he turned out to be right, Newey messed up. Full credit for Seb getting his title defence on track against one of the biggest names in F1 history!
The F1 public and Sky pretty much saying Vettel would be pretty foolish or brave to go against somebody like Newey with regard to the cars future. I'm not trying to say vettel grabbed Newey's notepad and did a better job overnight, but the kid was persistent saying something was wrong with the rear and he turned out to be right in the end.
Keep forgetting the F1 show is on Friday nights. Think people exaggerate the role the drivers play in aero development. Seb didn't "direct" Newey, he merely said he wasn't comfortable with it so he went back to the old spec. The engineers knew there was work to be done at the rear of the car, it was just finding the cause of the instability, Vettel didn't exactly help with specifying which feature of the car. At the same time Vettel was getting slagged off for using the older exhaust package in China, and people were talking about the newer package as if Webber was the one who designed it when Vettel reverted for Bahrain. All the drivers can really do is explain to the engineers what they're feeling from the car, it's up to the engineers to find out why it's going wrong. It wasn't like Vettel was defying Newey when he used the older solution, he was just using the package he felt he could do a better job with.
Hmm - there was a little bit of discussion about Vettel swallowing his pride at the start of this thread but I didn't read much else. I didn't watch much Sky coverage of the race weekend so I'll take your word for it. However, I've just watched the Kravitz video and at no point does he intimate that Vettel spotted anything. The engineers ran sensors and flow viz and spotted that the airflow was not going through the tunnel but spilling back out. Vettel certainly knew he preferred the stability of the original tunnel-less solution, and we knew as much in China, but that doesn't mean he pwned Newey.
Yeah same here, still not used to that show being on that time. I agree with you that maybe I'm being a bit too favourable with seb's input with regard to the rear, the engineers do most of that work and Seb can only be the guy that says it works or not. But Seb was very outspoken with it's flaw yet Newey was very determined to make that version work eventhough it turning out to be wrong from the start to China. Basically Seb got what "He" wanted and he was back to Seb of 2011, Pole and then the win, Newey's design was dropped of sorts eventhough he said that his design was the future for the season ahead. Ok he didn't own him all the way to Bahrain but Newey still ballsed it up and was yet still determined to make it work, was it pointless? we'll have to see as Seb didn't look very interested following Newey's first design.
I'm pretty sure it was Marko who called it 'the Webber-spec exhaust' or words to that effect. I think you're stretching things to class Marko as "people".
The version that Newey has stuck with is still on the car (further developed). All they've done is close up the tunnel after getting the sensor readings. They haven't gone back to the pre-Barcelona exhaust that was used by Vettel in China.
I'm not referring to that, I called it the Webber-spec to differentiate between the two, it was just the way it was implied that Vettel had had to swallow his pride to use Webber's exhaust and as if that was somehow to Mark's credit.
Do you have a link for that quote from Newey saying his design was set in stone for the rest of the season? Doesn't sound very Newey to me. The tunnel was a lovely idea, using the Coanda effect to pull external airflow in along the coke bottle to push it over the top of the diffuser while the bridge and downwash sent the exhaust out over the top of it onto the wheels to push it down under the diffuser. It could probably only work at specific velocities, though, and the effect would be lost on particular types of corner. The problem (and the design) came about because Newey just couldn't let go of the EBD concept, IMO, and tried to replicate it. Now that they've followed the standard solution of using the exhaust simply to seal the diffuser, the rear end is more stable and Vettel can carry more speed into the corners because he can trust it, which is more pleasing to him than getting pole and a win in one race I would guess.
OK. I was just trying to make a little joke. In our defence (I'm pretty sure I laboured the 'Webber-spec' reference, too) before the Bahrain GP it did look like Webber was just getting on with the car and its evolution while Vettel was floundering. Full credit to Vettel for wasting a GP in order to push the team into considering all their options, and I think this is fundamentally what SilverArrow wants to praise, but it looked like he simply couldn't cope without EBD. I think I commented on Vettel's post-qualifying ebullience on the BBC and he was no less excited in the post-race interview (Humphrey and Coulthard couldn't shut him up at the end of it) - it was nice to see and this is probably why. The strange thing is, why did it take until Bahrain for Red Bull to flow-vis and pressure sensor the tunnel when it was introduced at the end of winter testing?
I believe it was Brundle who said that with Newey himself in respect of "looking ahead and not backwards". So I would have to take Brundle's word for it in that he goes for a direction as he believes is quickest. It's just the hole he designed turned out to be flawed "for now" and not just Seb unable to drive around the EBD. So Chinese whispers with outside sources might of provoked me to say the things above in that Seb felt it was the wrong way to be "fast" yet Newey sounded persistent that his way was the faster of the two. I think what i'm getting across in short is Newey had what he wanted to make Seb fast, it didn't work. Seb got what he wanted (with the help of everybody in RBR) out of a rear and he gets pole and win, without those holes trying to give him some sort of advantage. Ok it does sound quite unfair as the recent exhaust setup is more refined than the last one in China, it's just the media try to portray everything Newey makes is the next Godly weapon and if you cant cope with it you are thus the issue where it has turned out the design was flawed. Yeah that as well, he stuck his balls on the line to help the team out and it looked to have paid off. Experts and fans were being quite critical in that Seb shouldn't fight Newey with regard to the evolution of the car, how much I'm not sure. But if I was a double WDC i'm not really going to just sit there and accept a car that feels flawed with engineers "possibly" telling me I'm gona have to just accept it as my team mate is coping with it. Rather than spending 7-8 races getting used to the "Webber spec", he got what he wanted and he wins from the off, thats what I'm also pointing at. Ok that's also quite cheap as if I got everything I wanted I too would win a lot. It just felt for me for the past few months that Seb really didn't like that rear and he made it known within the team that he was not intending to change himself to suite it.
Yes - all twenty years. He's been a dirty driver since he started. Ok then, 1991? - 1992? - 1993? - 1994 Adelaide? - 1995 Let me guess, traction control? Illegal fuel system? - 1996? - 1998? - 1999? - 2000? - 2001? - 2002 oh indianapolis? - 2003? - 2004? - 2005? - 2006 Monaco? - 2010 Hungary? - 2011? - 2012? Same record over and over lol. Only one? How many has Rosberg been disqualified from? You were comparing him to Rosberg, were you not? Maybe his lack of determination and will to win has allowed him to not get in contact with the other drivers, and the trophies. Looks like his first win has gone to his head. Has Rosberg ever been black-flagged? You were comparing him to Rosberg, were you not? No, not really/directly. Not for want of trying, as I said. So have many other drivers my friend, he is not the only one out of how many hundreds. "Grassed him up"? It was broadcast worldwide. He didn't need 'grassing up'. His own team boss had to tell him how to drive properly – again broadcast worldwide, live – because he was blocking unacceptably. It was obvious that he did genjigonzales, as Button did what he couldn't do in one attempt. Very hypocritical of the man who is well known for weaving. I agree Schumacher was told to leave some more room, because the 5th place potential finish were very likely/handy for Mercedes, so there was no point in risking it. Do you have a problem with past events being discussed on a forum? Do you take issue with facts and truth being recounted? Do you mean "forget" or do you mean 'sweep under the carpet'? Forget, it's just boring that the only defence certain forum members have here is "he is a dirty driver".., "1994" blah.. "1997" blah.. change the record. I have never sought to hide my opinion of Schumacher and you are well aware of it. What a silly comment. Why? I never really knew you had a vendetta against the man until yesterday, and up until then I regarded very highly of you that's all. Not a silly comment at all, as I didn't think you were the one to attack another user because of his likes and dislikes. MODS: Delete posts that you find off topic, me and Genji have come to an agreement. Just got a little out of hand, fists were flying.
I could never guess If Schumacher said oranges are here to destroy the world and monkeys will follow, you'll most likely agree with him.
