The 2012 NFL Draft thread

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• Pundit tracker: see which pundit called it best.
• Rumour mill and reaction
• Round-by-round tables and reviews.
• Team-by-team roundup: each team's draft picks in one place, plus quotes from the experts about how each franchise is faring.

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Here are a couple of the pundits' predictions for the first round. More to be added as we get closer to the draft. If anyone could point me in the direction of a complete list of the PFT Live draft I'd be very grateful!

(McShay, Kirwan and Davis posted 24/4/2012, King and Silva 25/4/2012)

Bold, italic & underlined: Perfect prediction
Bold & italic: Correct player-franchise prediction, wrong slot
Underlined: Correct player and draft slot, wrong franchise
*: Correctly predicted a trade, wrong slot

[table="width: 500, class: grid, align: center"]
[tr]
[td]Pick #[/td]
[td]Todd McShay
ESPN[/td]
[td]Pat Kirwan
CBS[/td]
[td]Charles Davis
NFL Network[/td]
[td]Peter King
Sports Illustrated[/td]
[td]Evan Silva
NBC[/td]
[td]Actual pick[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1. Colts[/td]
[td]Luck[/td]
[td]Luck[/td]
[td]Luck[/td]
[td]Luck[/td]
[td]Luck[/td]
[td]Luck[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2. Redskins[/td]
[td]Griffin III[/td]
[td]Griffin III[/td]
[td]Griffin III[/td]
[td]Griffin III[/td]
[td]Griffin III[/td]
[td]Griffin III[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3. Vikings[/td]
[td]Kalil[/td]
[td]Kalil[/td]
[td]Claiborne[/td]
[td]Kalil[/td]
[td]Kalil[/td]
[td]Richardson (Browns)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4. Browns[/td]
[td]Richardson[/td]
[td]Richardson[/td]
[td]Richardson[/td]
[td]Richardson[/td]
[td]Richardson[/td]
[td]Kalil (Vikings)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5. Bucs[/td]
[td]Claiborne[/td]
[td]Claiborne[/td]
[td]Cox[/td]
[td]Claiborne[/td]
[td]Claiborne[/td]
[td]Blackmon (Jags)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6. Rams[/td]
[td]Blackmon[/td]
[td]Blackmon[/td]
[td]Kalil[/td]
[td]Blackmon[/td]
[td]Cox[/td]
[td]Claiborne (Cowboys)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7. Jaguars[/td]
[td]Ingram[/td]
[td]Coples[/td]
[td]Blackmon[/td]
[td]Gilmore[/td]
[td]Blackmon[/td]
[td]Barron (Tampa)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8. Dolphins[/td]
[td]Tannehill[/td]
[td]Tannehill[/td]
[td]Tannehill[/td]
[td]Tannehill[/td]
[td]Tannehill[/td]
[td]Tannehill[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9. Panthers[/td]
[td]Cox[/td]
[td]Gilmore[/td]
[td]Barron[/td]
[td]Cox[/td]
[td]Gilmore[/td]
[td]Kuechly[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10. Bills[/td]
[td]Reiff[/td]
[td]Reiff[/td]
[td]Floyd[/td]
[td]Floyd[/td]
[td]Kirkpatrick[/td]
[td]Gilmore[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11. Chiefs[/td]
[td]Kuechly[/td]
[td]Cox[/td]
[td]Kuechly[/td]
[td]Kuechly[/td]
[td]Kuechly[/td]
[td]Poe[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12. Seahawks[/td]
[td]Coples[/td]
[td]Kuechly[/td]
[td]Poe[/td]
[td]Ingram[/td]
[td]Hightower[/td]
[td]Cox (Eagles)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]13. Cardinals[/td]
[td]Floyd[/td]
[td]Ingram[/td]
[td]DeCastro[/td]
[td]DeCastro[/td]
[td]Reiff[/td]
[td]Floyd[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14. Cowboys[/td]
[td]Poe[/td]
[td]Upshaw[/td]
[td]Brockers[/td]
[td]Barron[/td]
[td]Barron[/td]
[td]Brockers (Rams)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]15. Eagles[/td]
[td]Barron[/td]
[td]Barron[/td]
[td]Coples[/td]
[td]Coples[/td]
[td]C. Jones[/td]
[td]Irvin (Seahawks)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]16. Jets[/td]
[td]C. Jones[/td]
[td]Perry[/td]
[td]Ingram[/td]
[td]Poe[/td]
[td]Ingram[/td]
[td]Coples[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]17. Bengals[/td]
[td]DeCastro[/td]
[td]Kirkpatrick[/td]
[td]Kirkpatrick[/td]
[td]Upshaw[/td]
[td]Floyd[/td]
[td]Kirkpatrick[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]18. Chargers[/td]
[td]C. Glenn[/td]
[td]DeCastro[/td]
[td]Reiff[/td]
[td]Reiff[/td]
[td]DeCastro[/td]
[td]Ingram[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]19. Bears[/td]
[td]Gilmore[/td]
[td]Mercilus[/td]
[td]Gilmore[/td]
[td]Wright[/td]
[td]Mercilus[/td]
[td]McClellin[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]20. Titans[/td]
[td]Kirkpatrick[/td]
[td]Floyd[/td]
[td]Mercilus[/td]
[td]Mercilus[/td]
[td]Brockers[/td]
[td]Wright[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]21. Bengals #2[/td]
[td]Wright[/td]
[td]Glenn[/td]
[td]Upshaw[/td]
[td]Kirkpatrick[/td]
[td]Coples[/td]
[td]C. Jones (Patriots)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]22. Browns #2[/td]
[td]Martin[/td]
[td]Adams[/td]
[td]Hill[/td]
[td]Martin[/td]
[td]Wright[/td]
[td]Weeden[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]23. Lions[/td]
[td]Upshaw[/td]
[td]Martin[/td]
[td]Martin[/td]
[td]Hightower (to Ravens)[/td]
[td]Glenn[/td]
[td]Reiff[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]24. Steelers[/td]
[td]Hightower[/td]
[td]Hightower[/td]
[td]Hightower[/td]
[td]Zeitler[/td]
[td]Poe[/td]
[td]DeCastro[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]25. Broncos[/td]
[td]Brockers[/td]
[td]Brockers[/td]
[td]Worthy[/td]
[td]Brockers[/td]
[td]Martin[/td]
[td]Hightower (Patriots)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]26. Texans[/td]
[td]S. Hill[/td]
[td]Wright[/td]
[td]Randle[/td]
[td]Randle[/td]
[td]Perry[/td]
[td]Mercilus[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]27. Patriots[/td]
[td]Perry[/td]
[td]Reyes[/td]
[td]McClellin[/td]
[td]Weeden (Browns)*[/td]
[td]McClellin[/td]
[td]Zeitler (Bengals)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]28. Packers[/td]
[td]Branch[/td]
[td]Worthy[/td]
[td]Jones[/td]
[td]Worthy[/td]
[td]Upshaw[/td]
[td]Perry[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]29. Ravens[/td]
[td]H. Smith[/td]
[td]Branch[/td]
[td]Konz[/td]
[td]Silatolu (to Lions)[/td]
[td]Silatolu[/td]
[td]H. Smith (Vikings)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]30. 49ers[/td]
[td]Reyes[/td]
[td]Poe[/td]
[td]Wright[/td]
[td]Fleener[/td]
[td]Hill[/td]
[td]Jenkins[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]31. Patriots #2[/td]
[td]Worthy[/td]
[td]McClellin[/td]
[td]H. Smith[/td]
[td]Perry[/td]
[td]Still[/td]
[td]Martin (Bucs)[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]32. Giants[/td]
[td]Adams[/td]
[td]Still[/td]
[td]Perry[/td]
[td]H. Smith[/td]
[td]Randle[/td]
[td]Wilson[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Draft day updates:
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• Browns have traded up to #3 because they were worried about someone else trading for Richardson.
• Vikings down to #4: they get a 4th round pick, 5th round pick and 7th round pick! Great business given that they didn't want Richardson!!!
• Seahawks and Dolphins have probably made the riskiest picks in the first round.
• Patriots uncharacteristically trade up... twice.

 

Nicely put together NNW

 

First round draft day rumour mill​

• Jags pretty public in their intention to trade down, Vikings look willing to do so, Browns might be open to the possibility but seem likely to take Richardson
• Rams (Blackmon/Richardson), Bills (Kalil) and Chiefs (Tannehill) are among the teams that might look to trade up.
• Tannehill to Dolphins is in my opinion not the shoe-in the mock drafts might suggest. If he's as good as the hype, surely he'll go at #7. If he's not, do the Dolphins really need him this season?
• Growing belief today that Richardson could be drafted at #3 by whoever trades with Vikings.
• Pundits starting to feel that they've underpredicted where Chandler Jones will be drafted.

 

Five Live Sports Extra coverage starts in half an hour... see you then!

 

Can someone explan how this works?? I am used to the WWE draft which is "random".

 

To start off, the teams are put in reverse order: the worst team picks the young player they want first (in theory getting the best player) and the best team picks last (in theory getting the weakest). In practise, certain positions are more popular than others (quarterbacks are usually drafted first, and you won't see kickers for a few rounds), and teams' needs are different than others.

Then you get trading, which is where the fun starts. For instance, the Vikings and the Jags are looking for strength in depth, so they're willing to trade away one very high selection for a larger number of lower selections. And if a team is desperate enough to get a certain player, they will give away an arm and a leg to get him.

So, this evening it was announced that the Vikings have traded with the Browns. What that means is that the Browns get to pick the third selection. As we know for certain that the Colts and Redskins are picking quarterbacks Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. That means that third pick will guarantee them Trent Richardson. If the Browns didn't trade, the Vikings were going to trade that selection to someone else who really wants him. In exchange, the Vikings get the Browns' 4th pick, and they also get THREE of the Browns' picks in lower rounds.

 

Live first round coverage

[table="width: 500"]
[tr]
[td]No.[/td]
[td]Team[/td]
[td]Player[/td]
[td]Position[/td]
[td]College[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]1.[/td]
[td]Indianapolis Colts[/td]
[td]Andrew Luck[/td]
[td]Quarterback[/td]
[td]Stanford[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2.[/td]
[td]Washington Redskins[/td]
[td]Robert Griffin III[/td]
[td]Quarterback[/td]
[td]Baylor[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3.[/td]
[td]Cleveland Browns[/td]
[td]Trent Richardson[/td]
[td]Running back[/td]
[td]Alabama[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4. [/td]
[td]Minnesota Vikings[/td]
[td]Matt Kalil[/td]
[td]Offensive tackle[/td]
[td]USC[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5.[/td]
[td]Jacksonville Jaguars[/td]
[td]Justin Blackmon[/td]
[td]Wide receiver[/td]
[td]Oklahoma[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6.[/td]
[td]Dallas Cowboys[/td]
[td]Morris Claiborne[/td]
[td]Cornerback[/td]
[td]Louisiana[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7.[/td]
[td]Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/td]
[td]Mark Barron[/td]
[td]Safety[/td]
[td]Alabama[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8.[/td]
[td]Miami Dolphins[/td]
[td]Ryan Tannehill[/td]
[td]Quarterback[/td]
[td]Texas A&M[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9.[/td]
[td]Carolina Panthers[/td]
[td]Luke Kuechly[/td]
[td]Linebacker[/td]
[td]Boston[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10.[/td]
[td]Buffalo Bills[/td]
[td]Stephon Gilmore[/td]
[td]Cornerback[/td]
[td]South Carolina[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11.[/td]
[td]Kansas City Chiefs[/td]
[td]Dontari Poe[/td]
[td]Defensive tackle[/td]
[td]Memphis[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12. [/td]
[td]Philadelphia Eagles[/td]
[td]Fletcher Cox[/td]
[td]Defensive tackle[/td]
[td]Mississippi[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]13.[/td]
[td]Arizona Cardinals[/td]
[td]Michael Floyd[/td]
[td]Wide receiver[/td]
[td]Notre Dame[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14.[/td]
[td]St. Louis Rams[/td]
[td]Michael Brockers[/td]
[td]Defensive tackle[/td]
[td]Louisiana[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]15. [/td]
[td]Seattle Seahawks[/td]
[td]Bruce Irvin[/td]
[td]Defensive end[/td]
[td]West Virginia[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]16. [/td]
[td]New York Jets[/td]
[td]Quinton Coples[/td]
[td]Defensive end[/td]
[td]North Carolina[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]17. [/td]
[td]Cincinnati Bengals[/td]
[td]Dre Kirkpatrick[/td]
[td]Cornerback[/td]
[td]Alabama[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]18.[/td]
[td]San Diego Chargers[/td]
[td]Melvin Ingram[/td]
[td]Defensive end[/td]
[td]South Carolina[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]19.[/td]
[td]Chicago Bears[/td]
[td]Shea McClellin[/td]
[td]Defensive end or linebacker[/td]
[td]Boise State[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]20.[/td]
[td]Tennessee Titans[/td]
[td]Kendall Wright[/td]
[td]Wide receiver[/td]
[td]Baylor[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]21.[/td]
[td]New England Patriots[/td]
[td]Chandler Jones[/td]
[td]Defensive end[/td]
[td]Syracuse[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]22.[/td]
[td]Cleveland Browns[/td]
[td]Brandon Weeden[/td]
[td]Quarterback[/td]
[td]Oklahoma[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]23.[/td]
[td]Detroit Lions[/td]
[td]Riley Reiff[/td]
[td]Offensive tackle[/td]
[td]Iowa[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]24.[/td]
[td]Pittsburgh Steelers[/td]
[td]David DeCastro[/td]
[td]Guard[/td]
[td]Stanford[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]25.[/td]
[td]New England Patriots[/td]
[td]Dont'a Hightower[/td]
[td]Linebacker[/td]
[td]Alabama[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]26.[/td]
[td]Houston Texans[/td]
[td]Whitney Mercilus[/td]
[td]Linebacker[/td]
[td]Illinois[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]27.[/td]
[td]Cincinnati Bengals[/td]
[td]Kevin Zeitler[/td]
[td]Guard[/td]
[td]Wisconsin[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]28.[/td]
[td]Green Bay Packers[/td]
[td]Nick Perry[/td]
[td]Linebacker[/td]
[td]USC[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]29.[/td]
[td]Minnesota Vikings[/td]
[td]Harrison Smith[/td]
[td]Defensive back[/td]
[td]Notre Dame[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]30.[/td]
[td]San Francisco 49ers[/td]
[td]A.J. Jenkins[/td]
[td]Wide receiver[/td]
[td]Illinois[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]31.[/td]
[td]Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/td]
[td]Doug Martin[/td]
[td]Running back[/td]
[td]Boise State[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]32.[/td]
[td]New York Giants[/td]
[td]David Wilson[/td]
[td]Running back[/td]
[td]Virginia Tech[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

 

What happens if a player is picked by a team he doesn't want to play for? Like if a West coaster has family he wants to stay near but is chosen by an East coast team.

 

That does happen. It even happened with the first overall pick of 2004, Eli Manning. In the lower rounds it tends not to draw much attention, but the NFL make a point of ensuring these things are sorted out relatively amicably (on the surface at least: Manning was scathing in the media about the idea of going to San Diego). In Manning's case, San Diego drafted him first overall. They ended up trading with New York for the quarter back they drafted (Philip Rivers, a good quarterback in his own right), and two other players they drafted. I believe money can change hands in that situation too.

 

Can't believe how many trades there have been already.

 

Hey guys! Not a huge fan of the three-day draft, but they didn't consult me. Who do you guys want your teams to take?

 

The 49ers don't need much. We could either trade away a raft of picks to try and pick DeCastro, or simply chill out and pick the best players that end up in our slots.

 

That's a much nicer position to be in than Miami, who just made the Egg McMuffin of first round picks by taking Ryan Tannehill. Christ Almighty...

 

That was a shocker. I said in the build-up I felt the experts had to be wrong there. Far from it, that's the only non-certainty they've got right so far.

Vikings surely the early winners in this draft? The Browns have another first round pick, but that was still very expensive. Panthers seem to have made a good selection too.

 

Yeah, I really like Minnesota's pick. Gotta give a young QB a solid offensive line to work behind. I'm 90 minutes from Cleveland, and a lot of my Browns fan friends really wanted Justin Blackmon. I dunno, they had big needs in the backfield and out wide. Couldn't have gone wrong with either guy.

All things being equal, I would have taken RG3 if I'm the Colts, but Andrew Luck will be an easier sell.

 

Floyd pick is interesting. Really loved him as a college player and can absolutely torch a defense, but the Cards have no offensive line. At all. They'll be throwing up jump balls on every down and telling Fitz and Floyd to go get it.

 

I think unless the Colts strongly felt Griffin was better they probably felt obligated to go for the bigger name. In fairness there doesn't seem to be a lot in it, and to an extent you can never tell until they've played a season.

 

I know nothing about Irvin, and the pundits sound as surprised as I am.

 

And there's the shocker of the first round. Bruce Irvin to Seattle makes Tannehill look like a rare stroke of genius, rather than a stroke.