Grayson wanted Cork and Gorkss but didnt have the money available to get either. If warnock gets more, i really will feel sorry for grayson whose job was made impossible
Cork and Gorkss both live down south and preferred a southern club. Cork also played for Adkins at Scunny, so knew who he was signing for. Nothing to do with money, Grayson couldn't convince them to join his superteam and win all competitions. Their decisions were correct as both will be playing in Prem next season, and it looks like Grayson will be managing in Lge One.
Any sort of evidence that any of this mattered would be lovely. Realistically, footballers will go wherever there's ambition, promise and a spotlight for them. Don't seriously tell me Jack Cork would rather be playing for Southampton if he could get the same money and ambition from Elland Road. Even aside from those targets, Grayson had good players lined up in the way of whom the only barrier was Bates' lack of funding. Maybe if we had got the money to sign such players, we'd be in the Premiership right now with Grayson still managing us. Thought we didn't have any more Bates apologists on this forum any more.
The Bates apologists do my head in at ER. They continue to blame the players and blame the management, but sigh and moan at any Bates Out songs. "It's not him out there is it? He doesn't pull on a white shirt. How can he make the mplay better?" Thye just don't get it. People saying the team was Grayson's - I don't buy it. The team was Gwyn Williams's - no wonder Grayson had little rapport wit hthe players, he probably never wanted any of them, they were way down his list, just that those higher up would not come cos Bates would not pay or show ambition. More of the same next year. Looking forward to our summer implosion though.
In fairness though you can't keep saying Grayson had good targets just was stopped by lack of funding. The point of a manager is to get the best of out any given situation, Grayson didn't do badly but there are certainly better managers out there. It wouldn't surprise me to here grayson come out and say he wanted to sign Messi but that **** Bates didn't let him because of a lack of funding. I understand frustration towards Bates but blame certain people for certain things please.
To get the best out of any given situation? How was he meant to get "the best" out of a lower midtable budget? Actually, scratch that, he DID get the best out of it, because he got us three points off the playoffs! Of course there are better managers out there, but not too many of them. Certainly not many at this level - I said at the start of the season that maybe Holloway, Allardyce and Adkins would be the three frontrunners, and with the exception of Dyche, I don't think I've been proven wrong. Then again, I'm almost always right about everything. Grayson had Cork, Gorkss, Andrews, possibly even Beckford lined up. Bates, Harvey and Williams made a mockery of his target list. One by one, our potential summer signings fell away and went on to go good things with other clubs. Don't seriously tell me Grayson was blustering about a lack of funding in his recent interview and the FL Show Podcast. Everyone knows he didn't have enough to get promotion, just as Warnock won't for next season. And yes, you can quote me on that one.
Josh, if you can't blame the crap team on bates then there's no real point to anything we're doing. While yes, Grayson is directly responsible - in the same way a kid is responsible for selling the drugs he's been forced into selling. When your only scouting comes from a worm on the board who's part of bates super fun gang, you're going to have a difficult time getting reports on decent players for when your primary targets go belly up. They always do, because bates won't let the manager go about his business - all this crap about "we won't be rushed into signings" and all that bollocks - I guarantee every time Grayson went after a player, bates held him back and said something along the lines of "wait a bit, you'll pay more than he's worth this early in the window", then someone else signs them. Any that do get past this screening process (oh thank you bates, you saved the club a couple of quid! shame that money's not going anywhere but to your lawyer) - we can't sign them because Shaun Harvey is clearly incompetent at contract negotiations. There's no other possible explanation, based on how many players we've had who were happy at Leeds, suddenly turn round and decide they don't want to play for us any more. I wouldn't want to play for Leeds right now.
And I will.... I'm not saying Bates isn't indirectly at fault but Grayson spent a considerable amount of budget (wages mainly) on defenders that couldn't defend. Don't give me this **** about Gwyn Williams choosing who we sign or anything like that as you have no proof (actual proof I'm talking about rather than assumptions and guess work) for it. He could have done better but didn't. Its a difficult job no doubt but lets not forget that Grayson continually ****ed the defense up.
Grayson got the defence right in league 1 where our budget was good enough for promotion (and rightly so as well considering we sold Delph), Leeds Utd cannot compete in the championship the way Bates is running things. All our signings are average and any talent we do possess don't hang around for too long. A pretty much impossible scenario really for a manager to achieve promotion.
It's not even just the money, but the attitude surrounding the club. Harvey is clearly incompetent at contract negotiations. The whole board are. I think it was a day after the news was published that we'd offered Snodgrass a new contract to make him the best paid player at the club, bates had to stick his tuppence in and let the whole world know that it's "a final offer" - as if they'd actually made any other offers, and as if it actually mattered. We didn't need to know it was the final offer, it's just a case of "take it or get ****ed" to Snodgrass, in public. It's another cheap tactic so he can spin it round and blame Snodgrass when he doesn't sign.
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I have been writing this for years. When the top is poisoned, it has an influence over the whole organization. Its called morale. Anyone who has read anything about motivation in the workplace would unserstand this. I have experienced it firsthand and observed it in many organizations that I have worked with. While I got frustrated at certain SG decisions, I firmly believe, based on the evidence out there, that he was handicapped by the ownership and senior management of the club. So many debacles and mishandled situations and yet it is always someone else's fault, never the club's fault. I would love to have the Joshes of this world on the jury if I was ever accused of a crime.
Completely agree JLA - look at the team that got relegated from the Prem and then the team that went down from the Championship. Neither should have gone down, not bee nanywhere near it, but both were hampered by things behind the scenes that came right from the top. And to tell you how I see it, we are in exactly the same position again. As for a good manager coming in and improving our chances this season, we got the manager who has the best credentials for getting teams promoted, but his record so far has been worse than woeful. Grayson did better and had us in a much better place - then they sacked him. Yes he had his detractors and his faults, but with what he had to work with, he pulled things out of the fire a fair few times. Unlike his successors. I will not be surprised if next year we are in a dogfight at the bottom with Millwall.
Personally, to be quite brutal I think that people just use that as an excuse for why they didn't do a good job in the workplace. They see they are doing a bad job and say its because of the morale of the organisation is poor. I genuinely do not believe many people within the walls of elland road don't have much difficulty with morale but its starting to creep in because fans believe there are issues. The fans have caused a more negative atmosphere since this 'Bates out' stuff, players and staff who didn't think there was something wrong now think there is
Sorry LDS, got to pick you up on this one. Even in our promotion season, we had a dodgy defence. Most games I had my head in my hands. Not just a Grayson problem, I might add. Blackwell, Squinty, & Macca all put out dodgy defences regularly too. Seems we're blighted forever.
Chris Harvey ‏ @Skysportswebed · Close Open Details Good night with Neil Warnock. #lufc boss been in talks over new signing expected to join #Leeds for 500k in next week. More on way soon Chris Harvey ‏ @Skysportswebed Warnock also admits Bates and co acknowledge it is now or never for #Leeds to get promoted
Chris Harvey ‏ @Skysportswebed Warnock also says good offer made to Snodgrass. If he accepts but is not happy with how #lufc doing by Xmas then may be allowed to leave
