I'm very much with Comm. I had a great job, place & car in England, but I felt as if i'd hit a ceiling. The options were move to London (I could have stayed with the same company, relocated and earned an extra 15k a year, admittedly for a more challenging job), or move abroad. Best thing we ever did, there is no way we could have got even close to the lives we have no in North East England, we'd have had a battle even in London.
we seem to be moving well away from social cleansing, now there is a surprise, a topic going off track. Many I assume who are living in Newham are working there and want to stay there, the problem is housing costs. Yes some scrounge but what about those who don't want to move away, don't want a high powered job and will never be able to buy their own house, may not even want to. I don't suggest we lift benefits to cover rent but how about reducing rents to fair levels. The tenant pays OTT rent, the council use our money to subsidise the rent, who wins, the landlord.
Going further, not everyone has the ability to move abroad, do highly skilled or paid jobs. We say don't scrounge get a job. We want them to serve us in the shop, keep our streets clean, empty out bins but where do they live?
Newham east london, why should the folk i n the NE give a flying ****? They have been pat of the country who has bled the rest dry, with no regards to the consequences of others........ **** them , that's what I don't buy into any London ****ing sob stories. This said it all.
Exactly Comm, £250 a week for a 1-bed flat is a very tidy sum indeed, I understand costs are higher in the South, but still. Syd, I'm not suggesting people should look abroad for an answer, or should be prepared to at the drop of a hat, was more a case of emphasising the point that there's something out there whatever your ambitions, there is nothing wrong with working in retail etc, I don't want to come across high & mighty, cos i'm not. I have many friends and family working in lower paid jobs, who have lovely homes and nice things, and far from a bad life, they couldn;t have that on a £60 giro.
Never thought you were high and mighty MM but its the cause that gets me.We always, including myself in this, think of the scrounger, the lazy then the rent but all I'm saying is what about the little people who just cant or wont move. Something has gone badly wrong with this country, IMO, when 250 a WEEK is seen as acceptable for rent. Its not just London its everywhere. The less able are shunted further and further out, to the bad areas, the kids grow up with worse schooling, less opportunity or ambition. Some get out and do well but others are our future problems. Don't know the answer but in the old days council housing was a start and communities.
Sadly Syd, that's just the world changing. As things move towards commerce and commercialism, then the opportunity to land a better job is going to fall out of reach for people with less skills. You know yourself as a man with a sales record, that some of the best direct sales lads were 'salt of the earth' characters, who's only real skill was there ability to talk openly and naturally to someone. These jobs, and for sure, employers who want a person for his social skills rather than anything else, are getting thinner on the ground. There were lads, top lads, I used to work with in direct sales, bit thick, not wordly wise at all, but they would make a packet, by having a bit craic with people. That's a natural skill, you can't pretend to be that kind, it'll show through.
My talk at all sales training courses was, you succeed by not selling, just talk until you find something they want to buy, when you reach the end of your presentation and they have found nothing, go home, you never get them all.
About right. One of the best lads I ever did sales with, lazy as ****, would kip in the car half the day, but as soon as a door opened, he was dynamite, funnhy, on the customers level instantly, right side of the cheeky line... If he'd have worked a full week he'd have been a millionaire, I refused to sack him, even when I found him asleep, in a Ford Mondeo, on the street he'd been assigned names and addresses for, 4 hours into his working day. Ha.
Problem is you are just a number, and you just get passed from pillar to post all the time, I hve just started a back to work course, been on 3-4 in the past, and usually they teach you the same ****, this one is slightly different. Example, my C.V, I change the personal profile for every single job I apply for, its paragraphs with my key skills for that job incorporated into it, with proofs of what I have done. Every single time I have shown this to either the job center/other course, "Whats This! oh no this is no good, will change that" and it goes back to a bog standard "I am good at the PC, i have really good team building skills" blah blah blah Went to this place, straight away, the way I have been doing it is spot on, dont take any notice of what everyone else says. after this course, they are going to get me voluntary admin work, even if its just a new network contact (your network plays a big role in this course) or reference for a job. The problem is, apply for a job at poundland there will be 1200 applicants, its getting past the initial process, which no one tells you how to do, or they do the same ****e for everyone, so everyone fails. When I first went on Monday, there was a little questionaire, how ready are you for work, are your skills good enough for work etc etc. i said 3 out of 9 (which is low) the teacher came up to me today and said he really couldnt understand, he would have me at a 8-9 easy, its just lack of self esteem for me, I am shy at the best of times, so having confidence knocked hasnt helped. BTW you are saying £60 giro, this is the problem for the scroungers with kids (people may say i am one, im not, i want a job, just getting one is the hard part, but I am trying), anyway, I got a better of at work computer things done at the Job center, I was £30 a week better off with a job on minimum wage, than i would be now, unemployed, some will think "less than £1 an hour, Im not getting a job for that" and tbh you cant realy blame them, you need a job with £7 an hour to make it worth your while. but **** it, I still want one, and like i said, even willing to go voluntary and hope that opens doors for me in the very near future, I am absolutely sick of being unemployed.
Steve I feel for you, you have just shown us the human side of the problem so come on, on here there must be someone who works for an employer or knows an employer who is looking for someone like Steve?
cheers. Problem is I live in boro, and the boro board is dead, in Blyth I worked from when i was 16 to 29 (so I have worked, not been unemployed all my life), down here its a bloody nightmare, like I said 1,200 applicants for a pound shop job is just silly (but true). but that is what this course is trying to get through to us, networking, and what you just said hit the nail on the head, just a pity 99% of the Sunderland fans on this board, live 40-70 miles away from me lol ah well, its a start. 40 on Tuesday I dont drive, cant drive. IT or Admin work. Guisborough, North Yorkshire, just south of Boro.
Newham is a terrible place. Stoke would be an upgrade. I lived in East London for a while due to working there. It is an overpriced dump which is getting more expensive because of the Olympics. Thankfully, work relocated me back up north and I have never looked back. Steve, I truly sympatise with what you are going through. You strike me as an honest, hard working chap and I only wish you well. North Yorkshire is not quite the vibrant hub one would need in order to get work (I struggled and I have more qualifications and experience than a lot of people hence the move to London to begin with). I have never claimed on the dole, always worked somewhere (although I have been incredibly lucky to secure at least something through connections). I now work in Leeds, and there is a wealth of opportunities there. Have you ever considered relocation? I am sure the dole people would help you out if you found something elsewhere and will help with travelling costs for any interviews.
Terrylardarse or whatever your name is...I think you haven't grasped the point here. I was not talking about bankers earnings that has caused the nations economic collapse, but the fact that they gambled our savings and pensions on high risk stock market investments...
