Valley not hind sight at all, both myself and Jager are on record as not wanting Moore or Lita before we had signed them. Dobbie has more dynamics to his game than Lita and Moore put together! Breezy not finding something, just focusing on how poorly we have treated a very good striker, who got us here, a little loyalty and recognition for his contribution wouldn't go amiss, and I didn't see Moore or Lita score at Wembley, did you?.............
How can you say they are a waste of money with the benefit of hindsight ? That is the problem when people think they can do a better job, they have hindsight after the fact. Dobbie is not up to the standards we need in the premier league, it's one hell of a gamble to put him into the first 11 I think. we play brendans favorite son in danny and he cant score so why could he not play dobbie who is scoring for fun. if dobbie is not premiership standard then i dare to think what standard danny is then..
The only manager to treat Dobbie poorly IMO , was Sousa . Paulo send him out on loan , when we were still in the Championship & desperate for goals . Rodgers brought him back & used him in the League Dobbie was meant for & when we reached the Premier , Buck loaned him back where he thrives .
Dobbie is scoring in a lower league, don't you know the differences between the two ? And Danny is now a proven premier league player and would be an asset to any team outside the top 6 ! I'll repeat this for you as you don't appear to get things sink in, he has scored 10 goals in the league in a lower mid table side, if you compare him to holt who has scored 13 in a 2 man strike force it's comparable. No other lower mid table team has scored as many as Danny . You appear to want a striker who is knocking in 20 a season, they cost tens of millions unless you are lucky like Newcastle with Ba, if we had such a player we would be in champions league spot! What is acceptable to you for this player to be on goal wise to make you happy ?
Daft article really . Dobbie plays in a lower league and is a bit too ponderous for Prem football . He cant play up front on his own as he cant hold the ball up, he cant play wide as he is not quick enough and doesn't like to track back, the only position he can play is behind the striker and we have far better options than him right now. Great to see him scoring goals but i dont see the fuss, why do people think all players can step up to prem level ?? some cant and never will, rodgers probably thinks he cant and i will say this for rodgers,he does seem to have an eye for a player and know what is required,Siggy was needed and the difference is survival,if we were stuck with Dobbie playing in the hole we would already be relegated .
Couldn't agree more. It never fails to amaze me what people expect from their football team sometimes. I honestly think that part of it is down to the saturation of the big clubs being shown on Sky Sports. "Van Persie does it, so why can't Graham?" We paid £3.5 million for a player that has scored at a rate of nearly one in two, at the highest level of British football, establishing himself in a newly promoted side that not very many people outside Swansea gave a chance to at the start of the season. Andy Carroll cost £35 million, has played 15 games more and has scored 4 fewer goals.
My beef has always been his lack of opportunity to prove himself. Hardly a sniff. Amazes me that fans have made a judgment about his lack of ability at this level when we've hardly seen him. As for reserves football, he was scoring freely for them early in the season and still hardly got a sniff of the first 11 so who can blame him? Bottom line is that Rodgers gave Graham chance after chance after chance - and still does even though he's on a barren run. Graham came good in the end and his contribution has been excellent this season. Why Dobbie has been treated so shabbily is beyond me. I hate the way QPR got rid of the players that got them promoted without giving them the chance to prove themselves and yet we've done just that to Dobbie - one of the key players (if not the key player) in our promotion. However I don't think he's a great lone front man. One good thing that could come of not landing Siggy is that Dobbie learns more from his spell at Pool and comes back an even better player. I really think that whilst not having the class of Siggy he could definitely fulfil that role. But like I said we don't know do we? He's not been given the chance. I see NJ has his crystal ball out again. Why call the article 'daft' just because you disagree with Dragon? Other people don't. Let's face it, Dobbie is one of the few players we have who has a crack from outside the box. In case you haven't noticed we're not exactly blessed on the goals front. Stephen - my advice is go where you're wanted as our Manager and most of the fans clearly don't.
lower league. like dragon says there is hardly a cigarette paper between the top championship sides and the bottom of the premiership so thats a poor excuse, blackpool was premiership last season and are in contention this season and dobbie is a part of their rise again, he is doing what danny cant do so give me dobbie over danny anyday as dobbie would not have missed the easy sitters that danny keeps on missing....and for the record he had plenty of service today....so whats his excuse today...
As I recall you said Dobbie had found his level in the Championship and wasn't good enough for the Swans.
You do understand that teams in the Championship do not play teams from the Premier League, yeah? So, you know, instead of playing against the likes of Vincent Kompany and Rio Ferdinand, he has to contend with defensive maestros such as Mustapha Dumbuya?
dobbie is not what we want but he is still ten times better than danny, at least he can score sitters when they are put on a plate for him....danny cant and keeps on proving he cant. he lost us 2 points today for his lack of putting away at least two easy goals.....roll on when we get someone else and get rid of danny back to the lower leagues where he looks the part.....
Nevermind the winner against Arsenal then is it? Or the winner against Fulham? Or the winner against West Brom? £3.5 milion for a Premier League striker that is almost averaging a goal every other game. The biggest waste of money since Michel Vorm.
They don't come any more ponderous than Moore!! And how can you logically write Dobbie off, when he's not had a chance to prove himself, at least Martinez played Scotland game after game till it became apparent he couldn't make the step up, as we have also done with Graham. I could provide plenty of Video evidence to prove that Dobbie is far from ponderous, did you clock his 25 yard shot today into the bottom left hand corner of the goal, tap in my arse!!
Did you notice that Wigan are perpetually in a relegation battle? and to keep playing the same player even though he hasn't made the step up says a lot for how stubborn Martinez is ! You keep on saying dobbie hasn't been given a chance, but he's got to prove himself better than what we got on the pitch already, you mention Moore and Lita, they are bench warmers as well , so the comparison is not there. As for scoring in lower leagues, perhaps you want Beattie back ? He scores in the lower leagues as well ! Or maybe Scotland because he does as well ? Dobbie doesn't fit our style of play, and is a luxury player we can't afford to have, and you haven't mentioned who out of the first 11 you would drop for him to play, superswans suggestion to drop Danny is beyond comprehension, we would have no goals if we did.
Moore started 3 games & has 2 goals , Lita started 4 games & has 2 goals , Dobbie started 2 games & has 0 goals this season in the Premier . Rodger's player decisions have us 43 points with 3 to play , try focusing on that .
Dai, Dobbie is 10x better than Graham? Sort yourself out ffs. I'm a huge fan of the Dobster, one of my favourite players, but they are two different players. How many did Dobbie score last season and how many did DG score? Same division to so fair comparison.
I don't read much of Dai's posts anymore so thanks for flagging that gem up JackAsh!!! Hahahaha Dobbie 10x the player Graham is? Dai, you do realise when you say stuff like that it undermines the little credibility your arguments have? He is blatantly not 10x the player Graham is and anyone who understands football knows that. I don't get you mate, if your sole purpose in being on this forum is to argue with people and wind others up you do a good job, but do you HONESTLY believe what you said there? I think not...
KJ- It is a daft article because you are comparing a player playing in a league below!! we already know he can score goals in the championship ! its the premiership where he isnt quite good enough(according to Rodgers anyway) I like Dobbie, i wish he did have more chances with us, but when he did play he made zero impact and there are plenty that can see it, many fans though tend to have a romantic notion about players and feel like they should be given every chance to prove themselves in a game environment, truth is that the proving gets done in training and this guy has been pushed behind other s in the pecking order, there are players like Lita,Moore,Routledge,Josh and Siggy who it seems offer far more than Dobbie and you cant really argue with what the manager see's in training. If Dobbie was ahead of these guys in training he would have featured make no mistake, Rodgers isnt a dummy, but the fact is that he probably was no where near better than these people and therefore become an expensive player to pay for reserve team football. People think Dobbie can do a job in the premier league, thats fair enough but there have been much better players than him that have also failed to make the jump up, he is too slow in speed and thought and needs far too many touches on the ball at this level, if you think he needs 12 games to get up to speed than thats 12 games where we carry a passenger and the prem league doesn't allow you to do that, most could see after 2 games he has nowhere near the guile and touch at this level,the manager tends to think the same
PS I must add that Dobbie has had 9 appearences in total!! 2 starts and 7 as a sub. His return is zero goals, his assits are zero . After January we had Siggy and Josh to choose from so its very clear why Dobbie didnt get any kind of a look in and its not like he didnt have any football before that time,he did he just didnt take his chances like Lita,Moore and Routledge.
