Home-Grown Magpies

The identity is the fans... That's us.
This will never change and there's no matter what our colour, background etc..

 

Spot on!

 

We don't have to buy English or foreign players, just good ones. There are plenty of useful young english players our scouts will be ware of who can supplement our first team and youth squad. As long as there is an undercurrent of youth development which will eventually produce our own home grown talent then the balance is right until the quality of young players produced is of a standard that means we don't have to buy many foreign players. That is the perfect scenario not least financially.

In the the meantime, if the home grown lads are good enough to displace the foreign influx, then they will.

The balance is right for us now.

 

What we've got is a winning team playing great football, let's just enjoy it while we can.

 

Also look at the personalitys of Cisse, Cabaye etc. Cisse went to visit a couple of kids that sent him an easter bunny last weekend.

Michael Owen, Smith, Carroll or any English player I can think of wouldn't do something like that. I'd rather have players who are proud to wear the shirt and appreciate what an amazing job they have, compared to the majority who think they are better than everyone because of it.

 

I would think the club's priority is to produce the most competative team possible within the budget that they have set, why on earth should they have any priority that dictates player recruitment for the benefit of the England team, if English players are good enough then they will not only be playng in the premier league but also in all the other major competative leagues in Europe and around the world. I for one want to see my team doing well irrespective of the nationallity of the players and think that the cultural mix that foreign players bring has improved our game in this country.

 

Oddly, this doesn't happen, and I think it's one of the causes of England's struggles. A German who doesn't make the Bundesliga is likely to give a Belgian/Italian/English team a try. An English player who doesn't make the cut at Blackburn, though, isn't likely to try for Herenveen, Cagliari, etc. This means that English players never get the sort of experience and career path that Ba or Cisse (to name two ready to mind examples) can draw on.

 

I wouldn't be so quick to use that Cisse story as an example, don't forget he can't speak much English and the club photographer and journalist just happened to be there - that was as spontaneous as my morning ****! Perhaps it WAS his idea, perhaps he asked the club to help him and regardless it was a great move and great thing for the young lad, but still, lets not get carried away!

 

No, but I know a lot of lads who've been released by English academies and gone up to Scotland or over to he States, its all to do with our inability/unwillingness to speak a foreign language I think!

 

I think so as well. It's unfortunate as it hugely limits both the career opportunities for English lads and the range of experience which English players can bring to the national team.

 

What about Hoddle's Jerez? English players who have failed to make the grade have the option of playing in Spain in an English-speaking side.

tbh, that's probably the way forward if we're to have players integrated abroad. Invest in a lower/non-league side, hire almost exclusively English staff, players learn a different style of football and in time if it's successful, the club could have potential national players. Having been in the country for a while, the players may be more comfortable moving to non-English sides in that country, or recommending it to friends.

Or at very least, making better use of feeder clubs.

 

I personally am a massive advocate of our league and certainly our own team being populated with more English players in the future. It has undoubtedly had a negative impact on our national side, and as someone who is passionate about our national team then I would naturally like to see this reversed. Its purely laziness and arrogance which has caused this situation to occur. To me clubs should see it as their responsibility to produce quality players for the national side. Unless everyone buys into this idea, then your national team will be hamstrung along the way. Certainly German, Dutch and Spanish clubs have systems in place and buy into that ethos.

Our coaching standards have been well offf the pace for years now but the old english mentality of "we invented it" has held us back from addressing it. For all the good foreign players have brought to our shores, there are plenty of negatives also. All club should be looking to develop there own talent, with as much coming from the local area as possible. I look at the pool of players that our national managers have to pick from and it just doesn't add up.

However until you have got your youth system set up properly and producing quality players, and while quality English players remain overpriced, clubs will always look to take short cuts with foreign talent. England has only began addressing its coaching issues in the last 5 years since Brooking got heavily involved at the FA. There is no magic wand to speed up the process but I believe we'll see England producing a better quality of player over the next ten years, one more in keeping with the technical side of the modern game. Once we do we can start to slowly reduce the number of foreign players playing in this country to afford more opportunities to English players. But the quality has to come first.

 

It's the team over the individual for me every time.

 

We've got a great bunch of guys that actually play for each other. It's the team spirit that's taking us upwards and onwards.

No good having a great bunch of individuals if the end product isn't there.

 

Erm would you care to explain why there is a ****ing alien in your profile picture???????????

 

It's a dog. We have them on our planet too.

 

The problem is laziness and arrogance, but its the laziness and arrogance of the English players who won't learn another language or shop themselves around the European leagues the way the rest of the world does. The problem isn't the number of foregners playng in England - - it's the absence of Englishmen playing abroad.

I think I'm right in saying that none of the members of the French team that won Euro 2000 played in France. many of the best Spanish players play in England. You can count on the fingers of one hand the number of English players playing in Europe outside britain.

 

I couldn't agree Fredd but each to their own. I agree more english players should go abroad undoubtedly. The elite should be like the French and Spanish teams top guys do. But to be fair many simply do not have the technical skill levels to appeal to the clubs abroad due to our poor coaching standards over the last 15-20 years. The head burying exercise has now been stopped by Brooking and we are moving in the right direction. This is evidenced by the likes of Wiltshire, Cleverley type players just starting to emerge. 15 year ago those players would have been discarded as too small. Then when you look at how well paid the top top players are here, you'd have to take a cut to ply your trade elsewhere.

For me your domestic league should always resemble that of the Dutch, German and Spanish leagues. They would never allow a situation to develop where only 34% of the players playing in the top division are from the country. Its certainly not the sole reason for failings in our national team, but to me its a no brainer that it plays a significant role. The spanish (the obvious one to look at given their success) have 65%! The Germans and Dutch probably around the 50% mark.

The examples of the French team and Spanish teams you use is fair enough but the overall strength of the squad is determined by the pool of players you have to pick from who ply their trade at the higher levels. We have the smallest pool to pick from and have suffered for it. We sold out to money and TV companies and its now taking time to reverse some of the damage done.

Its the English leagues at the end of the day, it stands to reason that should be populated with mainly English players. Our PL is not representative of our football. Its a mish mash of many nations. The same goes for the coaching. We come to select managers and everyone bangs on about them being English. How can a sane FA pick many English managers. Pardew and Harry have broke the mould in recent years but lets be honest here, how many English managers have managed the top 4 teams in this country over the last 15 years? If you appoint them without them having even tested themselves at the very top in English and European football, are you really giving the country the best chance of success? Of course you're not.

 

Is the lack of english players in foreign leagues not something to do with money.
Like we keep being told the French lads drop champions league football to come over here and earn £35k a week, doubling their french wages but still running half the amount established players get here.
A player who "fails" in a foreign league can come over here and earn a wage similar or higher to what they were on at home but still seem like a cheap alternative to English talent.
An English player who fails won't earn anything like what they could get here in another Euro league (look at Ravel Morisson, 19 and asking for 60k a week, laughed out of manchester but what's he on at Wet sham). So as well as the social/cultural boundaries they're moving for less money too.
English (and foreign) players at their peak could earn £100k+ at Man City or £60k at Valencia. This money runs down the squad so a mediocre player can still earn big bucks.
Add on the world wide appeal of the premier league and the associated financial endorsements available why would anyone go to a mid table German team?
Every league in Europe has its top 4 but the gap between the English runners up and the European runners up is probably as big again as the gap between english runners up and the top 4.

It has become increasingly common for kids being released from our academies to go abroad, but most return home very quickly. Likely due to that social laziness. In the same way kids when I was a school played football without all the tricks, the game will develop and english players will be a more common sight abroad.

Edit. the move to require a number of youth team players in your squad could be an effort to increase the figure of british grown talent.
France, Spain and Germany are sited as having a high percentage of national players in their leagues but look through the squads background and you would likely find a high level of recent immigration (IE 2nd or 3rd gen). Perhaps the English FA see that as a legitimate way to improve the english national representation figure.
The successful french squad of the late 90's was (and still is) mostly of African descent, Germany has foreign born players in their squad. We're a multi diverse country but our squad is limited in reflecting this.

 

The top players will always end up in the best playing leagues. Obviously, no one is going to leave a PL team to go to France.

My point is about English players whodon't make the prem. They'll give the otheer 76 football league clubs a try, but that's it. None of them will go "I'm being told I'm too small for English football. I think I'll see how I do in Ligue 2". If they did, their technical game would probably develop.

And saying that the Bundesliga or Herendevise wouldn't allow a situation to develop where they were populated by foreign players, I think that's nonsense. They don't pay well enough to attract the best in the world so they end up making do with what's handy. The Prem hires the best. That means that the best English players still play in England, just that they have to compete with a much better standard of play than they would if the prem was exclusvely or mainly english. As the national team would be picked from the top third of english players in any even, I can't see the harm that is suffered by the national team by excluding the loweer two thirds of english players from the Prem.