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Today's OT Subject, ex-pats/benefits..well done or cheats

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Steven Royston O'Neill, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    People who have escaped to the sun are still illegally fleecing the UK for benefits. In fact, the government has revealed that they cost us a total of £43 million last year.

    But what are they doing, and how are they falling foul of the rules?

    The rules

    The rules about the benefits you are allowed to claim overseas are fairly complex. You can, for example, pick up your state pension, but you can't claim pension credit.

    In many cases fraudsters aren't declaring the fact they have moved, and are still picking up a number of non-exportable benefits, including Disability Living Allowance (mobility), Pension Credit, Income Support, Jobseekers Allowance (income based), Employment and Support Allowance (income based).


    Other fraudsters declare where they are living, but use the distance to break the rules. So, for example, Jobseekers Allowance (Contribution based) can be paid in the EU and Switzerland for three months providing the claimant registers as a jobseeker. Some are therefore claiming and working simultaneously. This applies to sickness benefits too.

    Spain a hotbed

    The epicentre for this kind of fraud is Spain. In a visit to the DWP's Pensions, Benefits & Healthcare team in Madrid, Iain Duncan Smith warned British people living abroad not to break the strict rules on what benefits they can and can't claim. He said: "This money should be going to the people who need it most and not lining the pockets of criminals sunning themselves overseas."

    He is calling on expats living legally in Spain to call the Spanish benefits hotline on 900 554 440 to report fraud. Since its launch in 2008, over 750 calls to the Spanish hotline have resulted in criminal investigations by fraud investigators in the UK and over 100 people have been sanctioned or prosecuted. Some 134 cases are currently being investigated and £3.1 million in benefit over payments have been identified and will be reclaimed. In Spain, claims for Income Support or Pension Credit are the most frequently investigated for fraud.

    Allowed to claim

    He added that there are plenty of people claiming benefits overseas that they are perfectly entitled to. This includes Employment and Support Allowance (contribution based) which can be paid in EEA and Switzerland provided the claimant has paid enough in NI contributions to qualify, Winter Fuel Payment which can be paid in the EU and Switzerland provided a claimant was entitled to it before they left the UK and Attendance Allowance, Disability Living Allowance (care), Carers Allowance, State Pension and Child Benefit which can be paid abroad providing the claimant has met the UK entitlement conditions.

    He highlighted that not all benefits claimants overseas are doing the wrong thing. However, he added that those who were breaking the rules were actually breaking the law, and that the government has pledged to stamp this out.
     
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  2. Nads

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    "This money should be going to the people who need it most and not lining the pockets of criminals sunning themselves overseas."

    This line is offensive the stupid ****ing prick, every Brit I know and deal with in Spain is legitimate, and works their ****ing nuts off, yet saying things in that context just makes people think we are all crooks and robbers (the Spanish certainly don't see us that way).

    His throwaway line harps back to the Costa del Crime bullshit of the 80's and 90's has the helmet got any grasp on reality, at all?

    £3.1 million in benefits, but I'd guess many felt they were entitled to claim as they'd paid into the system in the UK for many years, and I guess some will be shocked to hear they are wrong-doers.

    There will be some, of course, but nowhere near as many as you will find (and I mean by proportion, as of course more English live in England) in every city & town of the UK.

    Why not stop taking the piss out of workers in your country, then maybe people won't feel the need to leave in the first place!

    What a ****ing dickhead.
     
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  3. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Gonna look into it, must be something i can claim..

    Pension......only 25 years i may get it...

    Job seekers, **** that, it'll cost me more in flights...

    Come on, there has to be something...
     
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  4. Steven Royston O'Neill

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    free water tablets
     
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  5. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    calm down Don

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    Oh I'm calm old boy, but tomorrow, you may sleep with the fish...
     
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    Sunning it?

    My god, it was snowing here yesterday while I was at WORK
     
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    WTF?

    if this was supposed to be funny, it is a major FAIL
     
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    I was also working, 10am - 4pm, then 7pm -10pm, and up at 8am this morning.

    We're freeloaders mind marra..
     
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    Where the f*** is my power ranger?
     
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  11. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    move to Spain with MM mate, they have fish there he tells me
     
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    **** that, snow....****ing snow, and in April to..
     
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    The snow wasn't mine, it's 26 and sunny :)
     
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    Nads Well-Known Member

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    If you have a problem with me deleting it, PM me.
     
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  15. Steven Royston O'Neill

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    Benefits or

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    No contest
     
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    The weather is right strange this year.

    We had -28c, 1 or2 weeks later we had +25c, last few days from 2 to 10c rain, snow and more rain. then today: bright sunshine and 12c - mind you I ate and ice cream just to make me feel like its spring.

    We'll probably have around 30c and thunderstorms in a couple of weeks time.

    I'd move to Spain just for the sea. I miss the sea.
     
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    Do it mate! I'm overan with Mags, West Ham and Feyenoord here!
     
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    If I could take my Swiss salary with me, I wouldnt hesitate.... :)
     
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    Nads Well-Known Member

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    Just become a criminal and steal it mate, after all, that's what we all apparently do down here...

    Funnily enough, after all our run-ins with Spurs fans since the Bent saga, there's a few here, and they are top lads (and likely criminals, the government says so...)
     
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