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Wages and ambition

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by petersaxton, Apr 15, 2012.

  1. petersaxton

    petersaxton Well-Known Member

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    The away stands at Peterborough and Fulham are like what we need. Does it matter if the stand looks ugly and spoils the symmetry of our pretty stadium. We need a stand that generates noise and helps the team.
     
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  2. The FRENCH TICKLER

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    Interesting to read it - but not sure how true the figure may well be - but Noel Hunt @ Reading will be offered a double money new contract when promotion to the PL is confirmed. 20k a week, FFS, Ghilas is on that almost already playing in a french mickey mouse league.
     
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    The council won't sell the ground and the Allam's won't pay to extend a stadium they don't own, so it's a bit of a non-issue.
     
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    I agree. But things could change.
     
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    Just goes to show how loose Duffen and Brown were with someone else's money. More than likely half the reason the Allam's haven't dove into their wallet's in haste this season after digging the club out of the mire
     
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    Oli is on £20k or there about's isn't he?
     
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  7. The FRENCH TICKLER

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    IMO, whoever owns it or pays for it the KC needs a standing area and that alone would increase the overall capacity. Put the away fans upstairs in an upper tier (as its not an issue anymore as proved @ Newcastle, Forest, QPR too name but 3 grounds) and then remove the seats in the north stand and put in crush barriers. That alone would take the existing KC capacity closer to 30,000 and an upper tier of whatever the club thinks fit. Of course this wont happen anytime soon asd money and standing permission are the 2 big factors. But one day hopefully sooner rather than later it will.
     
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    Correct. The blame for Not Spending falls on the last regime IMO not the Allams. Why pay a transfer fee for somebody when you can get them for nothing(excl.signing on fee &wages of course) in the summer ? Nick shot from the hip on saturday both pre-match and post match. Great to hear his passion for the club. Great tub thumping.
    If Duffen especially and Brown had been fit and proper people the club would not have had wasted the millions on crap that they did and we would now be back in the PL, of that ive no doubt.
     
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    Yes, but the club is trying to do a Kilbane type deal with Oli. ie.Split his final years worth into 2 years which would make good sense to me. Oli could then cover Koren at the very least as he is a fine passer of a ball.

    I want to see the club concentrate on getting out McShane and Ghilas as they are 2 who should never have been signed up in the first place let alone for the stupid money that Duffen gave them. If anyone see Duffens yacht please try and sink it. <whistle> :laugh:
     
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    If he can't get a game this season, he's not going to get one next season either, if we can find him a home, he'll be gone.
     
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    First off i can see why Oli does not start many games. He needs a pre-season like Cammy Stewart. I just dont see anyone who will want him or come for him. We might as well get some use out of him as with Garcia going we do need some experience at the club. Getting rid of McShane and Ghilas and off the books once and for all would be very good work this summer.
     
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    If somebody is on a high wage then getting rid of them usually involves paying some of their wages.
    eg: If McShane is on £20k per week for the next two years that is £2m
    If some club takes him and pays him £5k per week then he would want £1.5m (subject to tax difference) from us
    We might as well play him
    Once the contract is signed and known to be too much we usually have to accept it unless we can find another mug
    It was an example, I'm not saying we should play McShane.
     
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    Do you say anything sensible?
     
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    petersaxton Well-Known Member

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    I think it's more likely that you don't have the brains to comprehend anything.

    Care to explain what is wrong with what I say?
     
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    In all honesty I wasn't just about that post. More the thread were you didn't think the previous morons overspent. Why would we of needed to be bailed out then?
     
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    Lets get it right. Do you agree with my analysis on my last post or not? If you don't agree please explain why. If you do agree it seems strange that you post the comment and include my post as a quote.

    I think the last regime had to pay the wages they paid. Maybe they didn't judge the players well and maybe Phil Brown fell out with too many players. The simple fact is that players didn't want to join the club if there was a relegation clause. Most good players wouldnt have joined for £10k per week. The alternative was to do a Derby, Blackpool, Burnley etc. Just because Swansea and Norwich have done well I would suggest they have better more experienced managers. We were as good as Stoke but then they decided to pay more wages to ensure they didn't get too near the bottom three.
     
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    Well to play the players on big money isn't worthwhile because they're ****e.

    The last regime didn't have to pay the wages. As OLM said if Ghilas was only on £1.5k we could of offered him £10 and he would have accepted. Bullard was on £15k at Fulham and wanted between £25-35k and we offered him £45k. We always wanted a big name like Negredo when we should have targeted smaller players that we could afford and had a realistic chance of signing.
     
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    Do you mean Messi is ****e? Crouch is ****e? Rooney is ****?

    Ghilas was hardly played so we shouldn't have signed him whatever the wages. Bullards wages seemed low. Anyway, their wages were after a few years contracts so they wouldn't reflect their current worth.

    The club needs to have a plan about the players and style of play as well as wages. Just limiting to cheaper players is never sufficient.

    It would appear that you agreed with my point but are too ashamed to admit it. Being a keyboard warrior isn't recommended if you want to be taken seriously but maybe you have given up on that.
     
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    I meant that the playrs we have on the big money are ****e and not good enough to get into our team.
    Ghilas obviously wasn't played for a reason. Brown didn't fancy him, neither did Dowie nor did Pearson. That tells us something. However, I have to admit posting recently that he may deserve a shot next season but only because he is top scorer of Ligue 2.
    Barmby does have a plan and by the sounds of it has targeted the players he wants to bring in. Or would you rather we gamble and not have a club by next year? Just because a player is cheap it doesn't necessarily mean he isn't good. It sounds as if you're ungrateful and want more from the Allams.
    In my opinion anyone who sides with the Bartlett/Duffen ought to be put up against a wall and shot.
    I didn't agree with you last post. You said that we should play the big earners which I don't agree with. They are simply not good enough and some showed little effort in a city shirt.
     
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    In recent season West Brom, Swansea, Norwich, Wigan, Wolves have all survived at some stage without breaking the bank, saying that clubs need to overspend to be a success is a false statement completely. Just because Stoke succeeded by spending vast fortunes is not the way towards long term success, what happens when Pulis or the chairmen leaves?

    Investing in the infrastructure, the scouting network, the youth facilities are far more important than the stadium and overpaid players.
     
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