My take on the penalty incident

Alan, ABUs like you can moan as much as you want but Utd won ok. So stop whinging you cannot change the result

 

I think most supporters who saw their own player go down after contact in the penalty area would say it was a penalty. Young's reaction was a bit embarrassing, but 99% of players would have gone down in the same situation - I've heard plenty of players this season say "I felt the contact so I went down".

You are right tho, it is a sad indictment on modern football, but that's just the nature of the rules and the system nowadays. FIFA and the FA are too concerned with trying to let fancy players play and bow to demands for them to be "protected". If you believe everything you read, the referees association actually advises players to dive when they feel contact, to make it easier for the ref to give a penalty.

 

Tevez was carded for diving for much worse stamp on foot yesterday ..

 

A similar foul was given against us when Adam tumbled when Rio touched his foot against Liverpool back in October. I was pissed off initially, but then all defenders know nowadays that if you make contact with an attacker and don't make contact with the ball then you are asking them to try it on.

I would dearly love it if Young, Rooney, Walcott, Drogba, Torres, Suarez, Helgurson, Carroll, Sturridge and every other footballer who has exaggerated contact to win a penalty this season had tried to stay on their feet and play the ball. But there's simply no incentive for them to do so in the modern game. When the refs association is actively encouraging players to go down when the feel contact, and the FA guidelines say making contact with the player and not the ball is a foul, players are obviously going to keep making a meal of it, and the refs, the rules and the FA are going to say it's a penalty.

 

Deja vu. The Man United crystal balls are out for the second straight Sunday to avoid condemning A.Young's clear as day cheating.

 

Lennon today should be applauded for not following Young's example. He won't be, which is a shame, but I think retrospective action needs to be taken for 'simulation' whether there's a little contact or not. Throwing yourself over like that just isn't on and he'll keep doing it and keep getting away with it.

 

We dont need crystal balls, you see, we won both games.

 

I don't know whether you're being thick or ignorant.

 

Neither, the only thing for certain is United won both games. Everything else.......whats to discuss?

 

That you all assume these weren't match-changing incidents when they may well have been. Last week more so than today, but a similar situation.

 

That does of course require an awful lot of projection and assumption. Against QPR last week we were bossing you up until the penalty, then fell apart a bit against ten men. Had the pen not been given then you may have held on for a draw. Of course by the same measure we might not have gotten so complacent and lazy had the man not been sent off and it could've been five or six.

 

What the **** are you yapping on about? Me an ABU, are you on drugs?

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Of course, and my opinion is that you probably would have won as United win most matches that are 0-0 after 15 minutes. It may well have saved us a 5-0 loss, it may have stopped an unlikely 0-0 draw but what's wrong is that United fans wave away anyone disputing that you were 100% going to win the game.

 

You criticise our players more aggressively than most ABUs. You are either a WUM or you are ******ed.

 

We have confidence in our team. Especially against the likes of QPR.

Personally at 11 each, you were about to get hammered, The sending off allowed you to become compact, take less risks and play much safer, this meant we had to work harder for the win.

 

Do you think SAF is telling his players to go down easily / dive?

 

Apart from the 2 Young diving incidents, i would like quotes of occasions when i have criticized our own players more aggressively than ABU'S?

I am neither a wum or a ****** so how about stop throwing petty insults over the internet

 

There's never a 100% chance of winning. But then there wasn't a 100% chance of us winning after the penalty had been given. Had Taarabt been a little more clinical and Scholes a little less than it could still have finished 1-1 after the pen and red card had been given. It's impossible to say the penalty didn't benefit us, but then it's also arguably impossible to say that it definitely did.

 

I think we're in agreement. I'm not arguing the penalty definitely did benefit you, just arguing against those who say it made no difference whatsoever.

 

I said it helped QPR if anything.