Look, if you see what i've written in the Rosberg vs Schumacher thread, you'll understand why i'm insulting Vettel.
But a great driver can get the best out of a poor car. Alonso a great example of this. Not saying the Red Bull is poor, but is clearly not the fastest and Webber is now showing him the way. If Vettel was that great, he would still be handing Webber his ass to him, but Webber is clearly getting more out of the Red Bull than Vettel and everyone was saying Webber was past it last year........
What I dont get here is... If it was about no EBD for Seb that was making life hard for him now, with the "lack of rear downforce", why is he going for the test exhaust layout that is considerd less effective than the one Webber is using yet finishing 0.3 behind... don't these things make tenths a lap when they are improved over a span of 2 months? So how is this a thought of concern with regard to Vettel's ability when it has nothing to do with rear downforce issues but instead balance issues which are troubling him. The main priority for the EBD was downforce, not balance, Seb is having balance issue's but not an issue because of the lack of rear downforce. Yeah the EBD would make a difference (to the degree I dont know) but wouldn't he be able to dial this **** to an amount acceptable, unless the car wont let him achieve it? If it was about rear downforce making him suffer then Seb would surely pick the current version, not the lesser one which he is using now if it was a case of rear downforce, this I dont understand from some of the comments around. I'm sure Cosi could go into more detail to enlighten me with this question.
SilverArrow is right - his problem is with the balance. However, he reminds me of Button (in a bad way). Button lacks speed when he isn't completely happy with his car, now Vettel appears to be the same. We saw it last year as well, a couple of times where he wasn't happy with the car (I think it was Germany weekend and Hungary practice) and Webber looked much stronger. I hope I'm wrong. After all he was great in the STR3.
If it's just balance, yes that can be dialled out. But why is it affecting his car and not Webber's then? Why can't Vettel's side of the garage sort this out? They've had 3 weeks since the last race to look into this, do simulator and rig tests etc etc to try and understand why it's affecting Vettel more than Webber. Vettel has not become a bad driver overnight, but if he can't deal with these issues he is going to struggle to beat Webber, let alone try and get up to the McLaren's.
Well done to both Nico and Michael for shutting out the front row for tomorrow, Raikkonen and Kobayashi deserve a special mention too. What can I expect? -Well a determined Michael going for P1 at the start for sure. -Hamilton working his way up the grid, and Vettel crashing I am elated with Mercedes, but it all hangs on their performance tomorrow. That is where the points are gained. A Mercedes podium? No not really. :L
Well the car is always built around Webber first because of his height and weight, that might be a reason why Webber doesn't show these issues as they have to consider him first. Then in short they adapt it around Vettel, ballast etc... And the fact the RB7 was built around the EBD, this car has had a major face lift because of the new rules. So results might be erratic in a word as it's hit and miss who can cope with it. Mark with his years of experience looks to be able to hold it together better than Seb.
Oh dear, that is a poor excuse for an excuse. If that was the case, care to explain what happened last year? If it's all about balance and not EBD, surely Vettel would have had balance issues last year as well?
I'm asking a general question for an answer, not looking for an excuse. I'm asking for your opinion etc..
I don't get Vettel's issue with the exhaust layout at all. All his problems today were in the heavy braking zone before the hairpin, he kept locking the rears. I was under the impression initially that Webber's layout gave more peak downforce but less stability, however Red Bull have said the issue is with the balance of the car and Webber's set up looks a lot more stable under braking anyway. If it's the balance he can't get right why doesn't he just switch to Webber's layout with more rear downforce, since it's the rear of the car he's struggling with? Adding to my confusion is what they've been doing with the rear wing this weekend. They lost about 4km/h between yesterday and today, but apparently they've been taking wing OFF the rear of the car. So why are they slower in a straight line? Nothing they do seems to be adding up right now. The last thing they wanted to do when it became obvious they weren't getting pole was slow the car down in a straight line. Seb seemed happy with the car yesterday as well, it's almost as if they've added more rear wing and lost rear braking stability. I said straight after quali that it would be Kimi and Kamui fighting for the win. Can't wait.
This is not your original post, with the exception of the first paragraph you have changed everything else. The edit function should be used for simple editing, not fundamentally changing the way a post comes across to the rest of the forum. However, I disagree about it being hit and miss who can cope. It's down to the driver and his engineers to come up with a solution if they are not getting the best out of a car, in this case the balance issue, yet their teammate is. Webber may well be using his experience, but Vettel has been on the circuit for enough years now to know how to set up a car.
Okay Haha no I am happy for both drivers, Schumacher has been consistent in Quali 3 times in a row, twice on the Q podium. Lets hope the pace of both drivers translates tomorrow, a good morale booster for all the team.
Just being cheeky. The noises coming out of Mercedes suggest they are still having tyre issues. 4 stops is not out of the question according to the beeb's coverage this morning. I wonder if they will go for this and run flat out and hope they maintain their speed advantage to make it work and hope the tyres will last long enough in each stint to maximise that advantage at the expense of an extra pit stop. Really good race on it's way i think
That's it in a nutshell, if that pace can be maintained which would be a tremendous job at hand, can they fit in a 4th pit-stop? Either that or they have already sorted out tyre deg, which I doubt.
