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Wenger responds to Campbell's comments

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  1. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    I really am amazed at this too-ing-and-froing. Mata is clearly a waste of space and nobody would want him....

    ahem.
     
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  2. Arsenal4life

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    I dont think mata is worth buying either fwiw. Silva on the other hand......
     
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  3. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    I think we are going in circles here, but I was responding to the assertion from RVB that "Had we done so perhaps we might have landed the likes of Alonso and Mata".

    This was being used as a reason to sack Wenger and the board (just writing sacking the board makes me feel dumber), based on the assuption, presumably, that we had definitely missed the opportunity to upgrade the team. I was just pointing out that there is no evidence to show that Mata would have improved our team. Presumably we agree that we can't sign every single player that "Might" improve our team?

    I wasn't the one being definite about anything.
     
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  4. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    ALL the playerS world-wide who MIGHT improve our team are all UNAVAILABLE.

    WE KNOW THAT.
     
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  5. Arsenal4life

    Arsenal4life Well-Known Member

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    Yes or no question. Do you believe that the management at arsenal handled the summer transfer window well?
     
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  6. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    Now that is sarcasm right? Or is it irony.
     
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  7. Fair enough - but I don't think RVB was being definite either. I think the general feeling is that Wenger and the board completely screwed up in the transfer window, bringing in players too late. Would we have had a better start if the players had been brought in earlier and been settled from day 1? Who knows, but it seems logical that it would have made a difference.
     
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  8. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    Both really. You pick.
     
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  9. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    People can have their own theories or choose where to read their football gossip but not one of us who posts on here really knows which plyers we have bid for or how much we have offered as transfer fees or wages.
     
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  10. ToledoTrumpton

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    My honest answer is I don't know. I would love to have a few key questions answered.

    1. At what point did it become clear that Barcelona were going to be able to meet our price for Cesc.
    2. Who made the decsion to sell Nasri to City and not let his contract expire.
    3. Did Nasri change his mind about staying because Fabregas left.
    4. Did Mata and Valencia delay his signing to see if they could get a better deal out of Chelsea.

    In the end, I'd say it was a nice recovery from a lousy situation. Despite all the debates, I'm not sure midfield has really been the issue. We lost games because of the full back issues we had. I'm not sure we expected to get 4 or 5 full backs injured at the same time. We also didn't expect Vermaelen to be ineffective at LB.
     
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  11. OK please allow me to clarify my remarks which again were not intended to be disrespectful to you Toledo. I merely went by what appeared to me as the majority view of Mata, before he came into the EPL and over this season. More precisely I intended to draw attention to our management's inability to seal the deal on players we have appeared to have been close to signing. A vast difference to the state of play in the days of David Dein I'm sure you'll agree and enough of a stick for me to vent my frustration at our current management.

    And of course through it all I should really have remembered the mantra that was fostered on us all by our faceless placeless CEO, bless him.


    I should really have known this. Must remember to never forget it ever or at least when these men in suits are in their management suites in N5.
     
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  12. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    According to Nigel Winterburn who spoke at our supporters club annual dinner,Arsene Wenger did not have the money to buy players until Fabregas & Na$ri were sold.They obviously could not be sold until Arsenal found the bids by Barca & Citeh to be acceptable.I don't know how true this story is but i don't know anyone who knows any different
     
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  13. All this matters not. The fact is that we signed players too late - after the season had already started - and suffered. Wenger is accountable for making sure the squad is ready from day 1. He screwed it up.

    The reasons why can never be known - all we know is it ended up costing us badly.
     
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  14. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    Like I've said a few times, we as fans tend to over-simplify. The days of Dein when we had the second-biggest chequebook in the league are gone. The days when selling clubs decided where players go have passed also. Players now decide where they play besed on the salary they are offered.

    We can speculate all day about what might have happened, or what might have been, but the fact that we have not won anything, or signed anyone particular, is never going to prove that we would have won something if we had done something different, no matter how immotive everyone gets about it. We could be swapped positions with Chelsea if we signed Mata, just as easily as we could have been higher.

    If we had Mata, would we still have Arteta for example, or even know that he had been available?
     
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  15. True

    If you slot someone in would we have another player. Who knows? I would say though I'm mighty pleased we have Arteta in an Arsenal shirt. He's proved his worth, his loyalty his talent and industry. I don't know what Mata might have done. Water under the bridge really and best to look ahead to Mid May and 3rd if not 2nd place or even a Utd crumble!!!

    That said, I still want this management team out. I could put up with Arsene until his contract ends but that CEO is no Arsenal man in my eyes.. He would be just as comfortable wearing a Utd or Liverpool tie. I would rather he did or go back to the States.
     
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  16. Kyle?

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    Look, i like Arteta as much as any of you, but Mata>Arteta.
     
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  17. I have an even better solution that is not dependent on Mata. Sign Arteta eight weeks earlier and take him on pre-season.
     
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  18. I assume you meant Mata's taller....right? :emoticon-0140-rofl:
     
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  19. Kyle?

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    Mata is a better player than Arteta. Arteta just has nicer hair and an incredibly hot wife.
     
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  20. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    Whether you like it or not Gazidis was bought in because he is a business man not because he is an Arsenal fan.I think it would be correct to say his brief is to find money making opportunities for AFC.We are now taking pre-season tours to the far east and new sponsorship deals have been concluded with Citroen,Indesit,Carlsberg etc.It would appear to me that Gazidis is doing the job he is paid to do.
     
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