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Crime and Punishment.

Discussion in 'Celtic' started by rogueleader, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    Ive been thinking about the spls latest proclaimation regarding so-called " financial fair-play ". Notwithstanding that the " financial " seems somewhat superfluous, just what is it that they are aiming to achieve ?

    Surely we can discount the goal being to create rules - or even guidelines - for the league to respond to an insolvency event ? Scottish football has had these before. Is it a coincidental and belated response to uefas`communique on football finances. Hardly.

    No, lets be clear, this is wholly about managing the situation that rangers are in and trying to find a way to ameliorate all parties involved - which is , of course, utterly unachievable.

    There are far too many vested interests and agendas , from the hysterical to the rational and all points in-between. Far too many - and too diverse - claims on unpaid debt and unhonoured promises. Too much cynicism among the fans of all teams, which seem to increase exponentially with each passing revelation.

    And, ultimately......there is no way that rangers as a club can ever undo these multitudinous wrongs ; which , let us be absolutely clear ; their owners and directors and secretaries have been the sole, willing perpetrators of.

    So, what constitutes an appropriate punishment and to whom should that be applied ?

    This post is getting long enough already, so I wont go into the reasons why I think most other sanctions - even where I agree with them - wont be acted upon.

    In my opinion, the most important sanction is the reclaiming of rangers "history" ie, the removal of any honours - whether that be one or ten - won when the books were being knowingly and secretively cooked and " sporting integrity" was being subverted in the pursuit of these honours.

    The removal of these honours so capriciously won through the actions of rangers owners/directors.....and therefore the removal of what they see as their legacy and its replacement with shame, is the most appropriate of all available sanctions.
     
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  2. Mick

    Mick Probably won't answer PMs Staff Member

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    So superhooper has finally exposed his true identity <whistle>
     
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  3. Mick

    Mick Probably won't answer PMs Staff Member

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    Sorry RL actually I think that last comment was a bit harsh. But use paragraphs better to stop future suspicions <whistle>
     
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  4. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    no idea what youre talking about Mick <whistle>
     
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  5. eric cartman

    eric cartman Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree and although football has changed since celtic were in trouble, the authorities were more than happy to see celtic liquidated and forced to start at the bottom. Yet rangers fans have the cheek to claim that everyone is out to get them, try being an hour from liquidation with your rivals trying to put you out of the game. Those of us who lived through that aint going to forget it.

    It's very clear that the authorities just don't want to do there job with regard to rangers and nobody expects them to do anything anyway. They would be as well making all there referee's wear rangers strips next year and be done with it.

    Hopefully celtic release a statement that there are not going to stand for the integrity of the game to be ruined like this.
     
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  6. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    I think the stripping of honours is a seperate issue, even if Rangers do get liquidated and are Phoenixed straight back into the SPL the dual contracts issue will not disappear. It is being investigated seperately and I would like to think that it is proven then any honours won will be stripped from New Rangers.
     
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  7. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    <laugh>.
     
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  8. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    But wont the newco rangers not have the history of the defunct rangers...therefore there is nothing to be taken away from the newco ?

    This happened because of the hubris of murray and those who clung onto his coat-tails to bask in that putrid glory...to remove the kudos they thought they double-dealt their way to seems supremely fitting to me. Of course, in a just and fair world a whole host of other sanctions would be applied to them ; but I honestly think self-interest within the spl will strangle that option. Craig Whyte is almost an " irrelevance ' in this.
     
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  9. Super hooper

    Super hooper New Member

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    Maltese Mick. Could you please try to explain what you are on about. When you don't know what you are talking about its usually
    better to stay dumb. No need to try to mock embarrass two posters, just to demonstrate your own stupidness. This is not the first
    time you picked on me. But apart from including Rogue Leader in your attempt to wind me up. I cannot recall you doing it to anyone
    else, you seem to be very patient with our soon to be liquidated friends.
    I would appreciate if you could try to be impartial in future, maybe you explain why you are not impartial.
     
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  10. Go G YellowScreen

    Go G YellowScreen Well-Known Member

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    Stop saying impartial, Impartial.
     
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  11. eric cartman

    eric cartman Well-Known Member

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    Well apparently they could face termination of membership. Have to agree with that, alledgelly, paying players under the table to gain an advantage over every other member club is no different from 'cooking the books'. Any club could lift trophies if they were allowed to pay players into offshore accounts tax free.
     
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  12. Super hooper

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    Maltese mickey. I thought you should have sufficient time by now to apologise to myself and Rogue Leader. I thought one of the
    basic requirements for a moderator would be to be a gentleman/lady and to be decent and fair. In your case It looks like I am wrong.
    You feel it is quite all right to laugh and sneer and try to belittle a poster on your forum.

    I thought decent Celtic fans looked out for each other and helped.. Things have changed Mickey.
     
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  13. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    He's not a moderator, he owns the site.
     
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  14. Super hooper

    Super hooper New Member

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    Thanks Dev. I wasn't aware of that but as owner he should have even more responsibility to run the site fair and impartially.
    He seems to do that most of the time but he certainly does not try to be fair with me. I certainly never disrespected him
    until after he thought he would be smart with me.
    I still await his apology because I believe everyone is equal and should be treated equally. Maybe Mick thinks otherwise.
     
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  15. Mick

    Mick Probably won't answer PMs Staff Member

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    Honestly I can't remember the last time I actually read one of your posts before this thread (where you've kept them nice and small). It's usually a big block of text which my brain just says "no way" to and I have to scroll past it.

    I'm really not even trying to be harsh here I'm just telling you the truth, if you think I've tried to put you down in the past then you are mistaken - because I haven't bothered to engage with your input at all.
     
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  16. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    According to you I am not fair to you either, or AP, or Rogue or Pud or several other people. Can you see a pattern?
     
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  17. Super hooper

    Super hooper New Member

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    Maltese Mick. I hate to disagree with you the owner. However in the interests of been correct, you have criticise/ mocked my posts in
    the past. I regretfully have to inform you you are either a liar or are making a mistake.




    I won't go away I until want to.
     
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