A set piece is a different situation to open play. When you take a corner the ball is being swung into a crowded penalty area and no one has possession, so contact is expected as players fight for the ball. When a pass or a through ball is played to a player who is running onto the ball then the attacking team has possession, and contact is a foul under the FA guidelines and advice on the rules. According to a strict interpretation of the rules, Utd had possession and the ball was played to Young. Derry tried to tackle him and made contact with Young and not the ball. Which is technically a foul. Refs have discretion in this area to judge whether the contact was significant, but that's a very difficult call to make without the benefit of replays, particularly when they see one player has his hands on the other. That's why all clubs and the referees now tell their players to go down when they feel contact - chances are you'll get a penalty and chances are you won't get booked. Maybe the rules need to be changed in this area, but then that's only going to open a different can of worms when a penalty isn't given for stronger levels of contact.
Where has this notion from that contact is 'technically' a foul? It's a contact sport. If it's illegal contact that denies a goalscoring opportunity then fair enough but if it's contact that makes sod all difference to the attacking player other than giving him an opportunity to perform an athletic mid-air somersault without looking like a complete tit then no, it's not a foul, which is why 99% of football fans of all clubs are astounded by the decision.
True but we had the option of a close up with a replay, fast moving game not so easy for the ref. Not sure how he is supposed to know how strong a contact young received. I don't agree with going down when you can stay up but all teams have players that do it.
I agree in many cases the players don't make it easy for the refs though I don't think this was one of those cases and if the ref wasn't ejaculating with excitement at the time he could have taken a second to think about the way Young went down and how much contact there really was and perhaps would have made a different decision. What I was arguing against was this idea that has come from somewhere that contact of any sort is 'technically' a foul and that players have a right to go down. It isn't and they don't.
You are wasting your breath lad. You have been arguing this now for more than 24 hours. It has been given and you are not going to change our minds and we are not yours. Not 99% of fans astounded. Prove it or show us the evidence. Most do not believe a pen should have been given because the player was offside in the first place. Ok ?
The Laws of the Game http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_12_fouls_misconduct_en_47379.pdf Page 6: "tackles an opponent to gain possession of the ball, making contact with the opponent before touching the ball" "the referee is only concerned with whether the action occurred, not with how it was done" It may be a stupid rule, but it's the rule that the referees and players abide by.
The evidence has been printed all over the media today or if i'm wrong post the link to the 1% in agreement with you!
Rangers need to move fast to get over this; they got too upset over the Sturridge dive and Chelsea thrashing in the cup and went into freefall.
Cheers we have with a 3-0 thumping. How did your evening go without a dive and cheated sending off, not had a chance to catch your game with the lowly Wigan yet?
From twitter - Ashley Young has gone up in my estimation. He's invited the #AVFC training ground receptionist and her #MUFC supporting grandson on Sunday
