Why do we need to use other clubs as examples of poor management? So this outweighs not strengthening the team when we were well placed last season and selling/letting go the core of the team including the club captain? Josh, you really ought to think more about these things before you write. Applying some logic is also something worthy of consideration. What Whitejock wrote.
OMG how do you predict anything if not using examples of the past or present? Maybe you should consider it a little bit more and think about what i have written. He hasn't jumped in with both feet, but appointing Neil Warnock shows he wants promotion. He doesn't want to spend for promotion but he wants it, its kinda dumb to think he doesn't in truth. I hate Neil Warnock and think he's a cockhead, theres no possible way I would've appointed him but appointing someone with that much experience of promotion from the league we are in and especially someone that will speak out if he doesn't feel he is treated right is a risk on Bates' part due to the fact of Bates' mistreatment of recent managers Probably why I dont run the biggest football club in Yorkshire. But we make profits, those profits need to be spent somewhere and Neil Warnock will demand money or he'll walk. Bates' will be in a far worse position if Neil Warnock walks, I believe he'll give him limited funds but then Warnock will also be able to spend whatever he sells. Call me naive if you want
@ Josh - Leicester fans are more than happy with their board and funding and the way the club are going, they were not happy with Sven they are happy with Pearson and they are moving in the right direction. We had a debate earlier in the year, you pointed out Leicester were below us, I said they might be now but they will finish higher and you said not a chance. They still might get promoted yet and if they don't they will be hot favourites next season because the board is backing the manager with funds for players and wages. Don't rule out starting next season without Warnock and without Snodgrass - Bates took a gamble that Warnock might get us promoted this season with what we already have, hence why Grayson was sacked the day after the deadline closed for transfers. Warnock says we need a whole new squad, I can see Bates now when Warnock has walked saying "How were we only 3 points off a play off spot if most of the team need replacing"....
Originally Posted by JonnyLosAngeles: "Why do we need to use other clubs as examples of poor management?" And the irony is totally lost on poor Josh.... So now you are a mind-reader too, amongst your other many talents? Mr. Bates has demonstrated that he is not a man whose words one can believe in but you know that in his mind he wants promotion? He either uses double talk or vagueness and often has not done what people expected based on his words. NW is not my cup of coffee either but he has a proven record at this level. Frankly, he is one of the few positives we have right now but to believe that the club will back him with money more than they have done for prior managers is naive at best. The reality is with better revenues in prior years, the money has been spent in other ways. This next season the revenue forecasts are looking very bleak. In addition, the only real profit has come from player sales, not from trading. So who do you think can be sold to generate that revenue? Bromby or Snodgrass? Kisnorbo or Clayton? Nunez or McCormack? Paynter or Becchio? Rachubka or Lonergan? If we sell, who is going to be on the field to win this promotion Mr. Bates supposedly wants? Josh, in all sincerity and as politely as I can put it, you need a reality check.
he's a **** useless bastard who has never run a business well in his entire life, yet expects everyone to believe he's running the club well. Everything is so expensive at Leeds United because high profit margins are low risk. Even if fans stop going, high prices means the ones that do will be covering most of the costs, when players get sold and released and it's "our fault for not showing up". He's going on about being cautious and not spending more than the club can afford, but they're taking it too far. They're avoiding any risk no matter how small at all costs, because he's a coward. He won't do special offers because if you do a special offer and it doesn't have the desired effect, you're out loads of money. So he's taking the "safe" option. They won't overspend on the budget, even if it is a small overspend, because if it doesn't pay off the club is out of pocket, even if it is in a position to take the hit, easily. They won't take any risks at all, it's pathetic and cowardly.
Rangers and Portsmouth would have loved Ken Bates to have been in charge of their club for the past 6 seasons
Portsmouth came out of administration in 2010 with a £38M debt - they now owe £58M. Rangers could owe as much as £134M - and they are a far bigger club than Leeds. Leeds would have been in the same boat if Ken Bates had not saved them 6 years ago - whatever way he did it, you are still here today and posting a profit Some fans need to wake up and smell the coffee and be thankful for small mercy's!
It's opposite end of the scale, TC. Other clubs go bust because they spend more than they can afford to, the income streams are there but can't be improved to the levels that are needed to cover their costs. bates is doing the opposite, spending as little as he can get away with, destroying all the income streams in the process. If it goes wrong? **** it, it was our fault, not his.
Imagine the debt they'd have if they owned a hotel in the middle of nowhere and a variety of businesses that lose money hand over fist! Ask Chelsea about Bates too. Ask what their debt was when he sold out.
Ask Chelsea about Bates too. Ask what their debt was when he sold out. So he learnt from his mistakes and is running HIS club properly this time - I am sure the taxman is very relieved
I wasn't saying leicester aren't in a better position than us when it comes to the owners (although I hate what the game is becoming because of owners like this) but I was saying they couldn't get imediate promotion and even if they did win the play-offs miraculously it still didnt go 'as planned'. I honestly havn't ruled out starting next season without Warnock and Snoddy, I actually believe snoddy is going anyway. But Bates' will look worse off than he woulda done if he didn't just get rid of Grayson and I think he's smart enough to know that so he will try to keep those two people at the club. It may not work mind you I need a reality check because I believe Bates' wants to earn more money.... Ok You either misunderstand or are just blatantly ignoring my point
Did somebody say something? I am not ignoring your point Josh. I think if anyone is ignoring anything it is you who is ignoring recent past behaviour of the chairman, recent events andth erecently released financial statements. Do you think there is loads of spare cash laying around Elland Road? Do you think it is good business practice to sell preferred stock with a 25% guaranteed return regardless of time they are outstanding or good practice to use two years in advance season tickets to raise operating cash now?
Feel free to try to explain it differently but it sounds like you are looking for a miracle of Biblical proportions here.
Why am I looking for a miracle of biblical proportions. I think if you was to give warnock 10m, he still wouldn't get us promoted. I think Bates will probably give Warnock 3m at most an if not I think warnock will walk. I was saying Bates wants promotion so that he can earn more money out of Leeds United. He doesn't want to pay much getting there though. You just keep asking random questions about where Bates is getting money from
and I want to win the Mega Lottery. So what? At least I buy lottery tickets when the jackpot gets large. He hired Neil Warnock. And now?
he doesn't care if he looks stupid because he doesn't think he does, he think he's a genius and everyone else is wrong. I fully expect him to continue doing whatever the hell he wants and to hell with what people think.
