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Thoughts on the Man City game

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by ajameshowe, Apr 8, 2012.

  1. ajameshowe

    ajameshowe Member

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    Great result and performance despite some wasteful finishing...


    1. Looked solid at the back (less so in the LB position)..too bad Kos is out for 2 games now
    2. Midfield 3 of Song, Arteta and Rosicky dominated yet again
    3. RVP looked sharper and was unlucky not to score
    4. Benyaon wasn't doing an awful alot until the 60th minute (maybe fear of being subbed) but he did start contributing from that point on
    5. Gibbs injured yet again and when he was on is always caught too high up the field
    6. Santos is even more ill disciplined to stay in position
    7. Happy we finally have a player willing to shot from long range!
    8. Why does Wenger keep faith in Ramsey?!?! How does he deserve a spot ahead of AOC or Gervinho!?!?

    SPECIAL NOTE on Clichy and Nasri...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:)
     
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  2. Kos being out mean Djourou for 2 games. I hope he does as well as he did in the Villa game.

    IN terms of City, they came for a 0-0 bore draw and got what they deserved. $hit team, $hit club.
     
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  3. bobo_97

    bobo_97 Well-Known Member

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    8. Yes why is that the case?!
     
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  4. Sanj

    Sanj Well-Known Member

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    Thing is despite the suspension/injury, our likely back four against Wolves will still be made of players playing in their correct position. Johan did well against Villa and he also did well last season, so I am not worried.
     
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  5. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to say something in Ramsey's defence and admit that I am not very tolerant of people who slate the guy. Point 8.

    Ramsey is coming back from a horrific injury which he obtained playing for the club. He had enormous potential before the injury and always gave 100% for the club. He chose Arsenal over Man Utd because we were the club he wanted to play for. I believe he should be given every chance to play himself back into the team even if it means more risk than going out and buying another player.

    Even if he never regains that form, if he want to stay at the club, he should be allowed to do that.

    I think this loyalty that Arsenal shows to players is part of what makes the club great and is why we can hope that RVP will stay with us, even if he is offerred a boatload of cash to leave.

    I'm making a real effort to stay respectful, because it is when this kind of question comes up that I really don't think some of our fans understand why Arsenal really are different to Spurs, Mancheter City and Chelsea.
     
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  6. omogooner

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    Just got home from the game, would have settled for a draw before the game... Thought the team acquitted themselves well, more ambitious sides would have punished us for our profligacy in front of goal.... We were also lucky with Yaya's injury, his replacement was not on the same level. Citeh approached the game knowing the title has already been lost, I think we toyed with them at times, the fans were completely relaxed, I guess we only had the top 4 to fight for.
    I am probably the only one who is bitter at manure winning the title yet again, with a very average team :(.
     
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  7. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    As probably everyone knows, I am a big supporter of Djourou. I hope to God the guy doesn't let me down, but I think he will do the job for us.
     
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  8. Arsegun

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    1. I thought Gibbs was outstanding in defense and attack, a real credit to the team. What did they get down their right? What did we get down our left? He was almost as good as Sagna.
    2. The midfield 3 dominated so much that Barry became a defender in that game, Nasri had no possession at all, and Milner had a horrid game (not like him).
    3. Agreed, gg RVP.
    4. Benayoun was really solid actually. Good movement and passing.
    5/6. Gibbs > Santos. I think that debate is settled, and such a shame he's injured again.
    7. Orgasmic!
    8. Ramsey's shot at the end was so typical of him I couldn't even laugh at it. He needs to sit out the rest of the season and come back in the next. I said that after QPR though..
     
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  9. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    I didn't know - but I'm not surprised.
     
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  10. ajameshowe

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    It is very sad about Ramsey but would you lose points over it !?!?!

    Ramsey hasn't played well all season and what annoys me is his decision making which has nothing to do with the injury or work rate. He constantly tries little fllcks and long range shots which rarely if ever come off. Most players who've come back from a serious injury try to keep it simple which you can't argue is Ramsey's current game. He's a player desperate to prove himself so makes very selfish descisions rather than what is best for the team (i.e. not passing to AOC or RVP at the end of the game).

    Prior to his injury we all had high hopes for him but the same for Eduardo and he's no longer with us. I think his only chance to survive and Arsenal is to go out on loan and prove himself and see how close he can regain his previous potential.

    It's been over 12 months since he returned from injury which is enough time for us to have been patient with him
     
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  11. suker_suker

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    Sorry mate, while I'm sympathetic with Ramsey's problems and am pleased that he cares about the club, I think bringing in a top attacking midfielder would not be a bad move. His performances haven't been good enough for us to consider that position as filled. If an opportunity arises in which we can bring in a 'super talent' then we shouldn't let sentimentality get in the way of ambition and building a challenging team.
     
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  12. HighburyGhost

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    Jesus Christ, this old record again? It was February 27th, 2010. That's over 2 years ago!

    Why do we continually act as if our players are the only ones to have ever suffered such horrific breaks? The boy returned to competitive football in November of the same year...that's nearly a year and a half of competitive top flight football, and we're still waiting on him to "recover"?

    Lets put this in perspective:

    22 October 1999 - Henrik Larsson suffers horrific leg break in UEFA Cup tie against Lyon.
    21 May 2000 - Larsson makes his return to Celtic on the last day of the season
    19 June 2000 - Scores goal against Italy in Euro 2000 for Sweden
    2000/01 Season - Scores 53 goals in all competitions, his highest tally ever, of which he never surpassed.

    In other words, he suffers a double leg break and returns 8 months later a better player than before the injury!

    30 October 2004 - Djbril Cisse snaps both tibia and fibula against Blackburn.
    13 April 2005 - He makes his return to football in a Champions League game vs Juventus, less than 6 months later, helping Liverpool along the way to that Champions League final and scoring a goal during the penalty shootout against AC Milan.
    7 June 2006 - Move to Marseille is agreed...on the same day the man breaks his leg again!
    20 October 2006 - Cisse returns to training, just 4 months after another horrific break. 2 months later, he's back to scoring goals. Despite a slow start he helps the team qualify for Champions League football.

    So here, we have one player getting to good as new and better in 8 months, and another doing it twice in 6 months or less both times, and we're still harping on about Ramsey's leg break 2 years after the fact?

    When do we cut our loses and call it a day? I'm actually furious such patients wasn't shown to Eduardo.
     
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  13. Not PC enough

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    Anyone can have a bad game , even 2 , but he is the most consistent player we have .

    Consistantly bad.

    His passing is rubbish , to me he looks like its all too much hard work .

    I got nothing against him personally he is JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH for Arsenal FC .

    That miss today was as bad as ANY of Torres misses .

    That goal COULD have been crucial to us but he selfishly goes for it instead of passing to the master 3 yards away.

    FORTUNATELY it wasnt crucial but i tell you what ............ its a feckin good job for his sake .

    Due to Arteta we are just slating the guy but if that miss had cost us , his name would have been mudd .
     
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  14. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure I'm not posting on the Man City board. I had to check...
     
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  15. Gooner91

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    Are you sure?
    Eduardo got a new contract in November 2009 until 2014, so the club had faith in him. I think he left for Shakhtar because he wanted first-team football to have a better chance to play in the Croatian team and we had just signed Marouane Chamakh.

    BTT: I was really angry when Ramsey didn't square the ball to Ox or van Persie, that was just wrong from him.

    Apart from that, we played a good game and City are lucky that we only one scored one. Could easily have been 3-0 at least.

    Big shame that Koscielny will be missing the next two games, but at least he'll be back for the potential CL-decider against Chelsea.
     
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  16. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    I don't buy into the Ramsey hating. He's done ok this season. remember he was asked to carry the weight of midfield in the absence of both Fabregas and Nasri leaving and long term injuries to Diaby and Wilshere. He's played in nearly every game right up until recently, he's put in his shift and made a decent contribution. His pass rate is actually better than Fabregas' last season and whilst it's true that his best form is still eluding him, he still does enough in games to justify his place in the team.

    It seems that some fans always need a scapegoat, it used to be Eboue, then it was Denilson, then Bendtner - I don't see the point or the value in getting on the backs of our players. When they're having difficult time, we should be giving them more support, not less. As it is Ramsey is a decent player, who is still developing. His got a long Arsenal career ahead of him - so he'll get his chance to prove the haters wrong
     
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  17. TenG

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    I don't have any axes to grind, and actually watch th egames with as near a neutrals eye as you can. I was actually happy to be getting rid of NAsri because I thought he was too selfish and blinkered, and too slow expecially when we counter attacked. After a blsitering start last season it ended on a downer with him.

    I see much the same with Ramsey. He tries hard, but what an attacking midlfielder needs is teh quick eye to spot the right pass. The biigest fault with Arsenal over the last couple of years is that our passing is too slow and predictable.We need to be more first time passing, which in turn needs playesr to be constantly moving and creating space. Ramsey and Arteta b oth like to take two or three touches, and often will pick the least best passing option. The difference though is that Arteta can be more effective mnore often, whears Ramsey is seldom effective.

    His last minute effort was appalling, buit not at all suprising; not surprised that he didn't see the easy quick pass to RVP, not surprising that he took the ball a litle wide, not surprising that hje dint pass to RVP at the second chance, but the poor shot was a surprise.

    These short comings in Ramsey's game are worrying. However, he is still young, and has room to improve, but I think he would benefit from a year out on loan to a decent passing team, like Swansea or Brighton.
     
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  18. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Ramsey is not an attacking midfielder though, he is a CM who has been asked to do a job in the absence of a proper attacking midfielder.
     
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  19. Cb

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    agreed he hasn't been played in his correct position for ages and the people currently critisicing him were probably the same mocking rosicky and rvp for their years of inconsistency and injuries and at a much greater age too. (sorry i keep repeating this but i cant help it!)
     
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  20. ajameshowe

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    All the comments from Wenger and Ramsey suggest he'd fully recovered ages ago...he's been given time to find his sharpness playing some key game time but 18 months later he honestly doesn't seem have to made any progress which is sad but the truth.

    I've seen every single minute of every game this season and Ramsey has been a liability for us! I can't tell if it's confidence or the break has somehow altered his playing style but he can't tackle, his passing in many games has been around 50% and his shooting/flicks are a constant disappointment. Apart from the goal against Marseille away and the Sunderland away I can't remember much else good he's done this season
     
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