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Do we want or need M'Vila

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Jayram_Football, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. Cb

    Cb Active Member

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    To be honest Ive not seen M'vila play and my judgement of why I don't want him is solely based on YouTube clips so I was wondering if anyone has actually seen him play bcse standing in front of the back four and passing like Denison I'm sure is something song could do too?
     
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  2. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    'passing like Denilson ' is something we don't want.
    In the end he either gave the ball away - or merely passed across the width or backwards sending me to sleep.
     
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  3. cjuliennech1

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    Of all our supposed targets m'villa is the most baffling. We just don't need him, and why would we pay that money for someone we don't need, we should be putting that money towards a bid for goetze instead and be looking to bring in a replacement for fabregas rather than buying a holding player. Song has been immense this season and behind him we also have frimpong and coquelin who are young but have huge potential and have shown that they can make the step up. We don't spend very much money so why would we want to blow it on a position where we already have good players if we bring in m'villa and dont buy a creative midfielder then i will be absolutely flabbergasted.
     
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  4. Cb

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    agreed i would love gotze he is the only attacking midfield prospect i would take (wouldnt even take hazard personally)...BUT he has just recently signed a contract so chances of getting him are very slim though our interest was genuine

    http://wearethenorthbank.com/arsenals-transfer-targets-an-insight/ (as ive said before this guy can be trusted)

    in any case now that hes out of the picture i think our attention should be adressed toward getting a striker, we already have podolski, vertonghen (ideally) and a back up goalie to chesny
     
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  5. theHotHead

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    My views on our midfield are probably different to most. I prefer old school midfielders, box to box, I am not a fan of a DM - it limits your options.

    If we MUST play with a DM I want one who has bite when he tackles and is an effective stopper, he must be able to pass accurately though. If we get a DM we will need an AM and again, he must be effective at creating, he should be of the Fabregas ilk - deep lying - or Aimar ilk - great passer and dribbler with a keen eye for the pass.

    I think we need a commanding CB - Mertesacker wasn't the answer, he is far too slow for Premier League football and we definitely need a striker, proven to get goals - having Podolski and RVP alone is not enough especially if one gets injured. A backup keeper is required too. I think Wilshere can do the AM job if Wenger gives him that license.
     
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  6. suker_suker

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    I just don't know anymore. I'm not sure our problem is a purely personnel-related one. Despite the last game our defence has looked relatively solid recently and we pressed all over the pitch in many of the seven games we won. We have a lot of midfielders and defenders already and they are technically gifted (mostly) and have shown good performances in our good spells. When it comes to strengthening I would be more concerned with our offensive players, we need more goal scorers. I'm starting to think our problem is primarily psychological. I have moaned a lot about the list of no-hopers but really- how many games have they actually played this season? Saturday we were at virtually full strength, we looked a little jaded but I don't know why, we had all week to rest. I think we need a stronger work ethic and more accountability on the pitch. I want to see the more senior players shouting a bit more and am sick of the infinite second chances Wenger dishes out like candy. If we brought in M'Vila I'm not sure that would solve the defensive issues, we need a culture around the club that makes it clear that lack of effort, commitment or concentration is unacceptable, only then will we move forward no matter what players we get in the summer.
     
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  7. theHotHead

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    The situation is not helped by giving these guys bumper pay packets for no reason.
     
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  8. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    Tbh though if we put in a 40 million plus deal they'd be idiots not to accept it
    The odds on that happening are slim
     
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  9. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    I think M'Sacker is fine
    Plus we are also forgetting that this is his 1st season
    What he lacks for speed he makes up for in positional awareness plus Kos or TV will cover him if he's beaten
    However I wouldn't say no to Verthogen and Miguel seems a decent prospect
     
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  10. theHotHead

    theHotHead New Member

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    I think Miquel looks very promising. Again, not exactly the type of defender we need but he certainly does look good.

    Its like the good cop bad cop scenario, the teams with tough defences have a cultured/ball playing CB and a die hard. We don't have a die hard, a Vidic, a Puyol.
     
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  11. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    Merte's positional awareness is borne of the certain knowledge that he will be outrun by almost anybody.
    Hence not wanting to venture too far forward and be left exposed on the counter.
    Its more knowing the weakness in his game, than positional awareness. But never mind- its my opinion.
     
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  12. I agree with this 100%
     
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  13. lazarus20000

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    I agree, i don't think it's the personnel but more the psychological side of things, which affects our organisational side of things. Since the return of Sagna, we've seen the back 4 look more assured. Yes he is a quality defender but he also works better with everyone, knows where to be and combines well with Walcott/Song. I think its time we brought some of our legends in and start helpng out on the organisational/mental side of things. Maybe get in Keown to start coaching the defence or something?
     
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  14. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    Yes
    This
    We could get some legends and greats to join the backroom and coaching staff
    We all know Denniswill eventually ahve some sort of maagerial role with Arsenal
    After Pat reires make Bould Assitant Manager and Dennis Reserve Manager/Coach and put in other ex players in coaching positions
     
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  15. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    Don't know if I agree with you on the "mental" aspect of your post or the "legends" coaching, because there seem to be an awful lot of good coaches that were crap players. But that aside, I always say that the "Team" aspect of the game is underappreciated.

    If you look at Swansea this year, their performances and results (no disrespect intended) have been far better than you would expect based on the players on the team. Their increased performance (IMO) is based on a joint effort that (as the cliche goes) makes the whole greater than the sum of the parts.

    So having Sagna in the team, and "fitting" enhances the whole team's performance by more than just the upgrade to Sagna from a less suitable full-back.
     
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  16. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    I agree with this. Steve Bould has some good experience with the youths and reserves and of course he knows the club as a player and a coach and understands the culture of Arsenal.

    He's had some successes with the in the youth FA cup, so he's got some experience of managing winning teams. I think his skills and experience make him a top candidate to step up to assistant - if Pat Rice retires.

    We would then need a Youth/reserve coach - Liam Brady might do it, but he does a key job heading up youth development at the Acadamy.
    The one other ex player who has spoken about coaching at in the future Arsenal is Dennis Bergkamp. He'd be an ideal youth/reserve coach at Arsenal if he was willing to leave Ajax.

    I agree that not all ex players make good coaches, but the names mentioned are all already establishing themselves in the game - and have the added value of having Arsenal in their veins.
     
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  17. Dennis, Bould and Parlour (who is sadly wasted in Talk ****e) <ok>
     
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  18. TheBear

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    Marcel Desailly has urged Arsenal to push the boat out to sign Yann M&#8217;Vila &#8211; because he is better than Patrick Vieira.

    The French World Cup and European Championships winner believes the Premier League club should pay whatever it takes to sign the midfield anchorman from Rennes in the summer.

    M&#8217;Vila has been closely trailed by a string of marquee clubs including Arsenal during the last 12 months and, although he has three years left on his Rennes contract, the manager Frederic Antonetti has said the player will leave this summer.

    Desailly believes his countryman M&#8217;Vila, 22, has the qualities required to thrive at Arsenal or any of the leading Premier League clubs.

    &#8220;I would just say that if I was the chairman of a Premier League club I would just close my eyes and put the figure on the cheque to get him,&#8221; said Desailly in an interview with Goal.com in London.

    &#8220;Because he is really the future if you structure him. The talent is there. It is obvious.

    &#8220;We hope he will come here. Arsenal is probably a stable club where he can have a bit of time or [Manchester] United where he has time to assimilate the changing of clubs and start slowly to perform.

    &#8220;He needs to come to the Barclays Premier League. We want him in this competition because it is the best, first of all, and he can really develop his skills. It is for players who like to play with tempo.

    "You can see by the way he gets the ball, control and passes straight away. Long ball, short ball. He has that sort of rhythm that the Barclays Premier League is demanding.&#8221;

    Nevertheless, Desailly had some words of warning for a holding midfielder who he rates as even more talented than one of the greatest players in Arsenal&#8217;s history.

    &#8220;He is doing too much on the field,&#8221; explained the Chelsea and AC Milan legend. &#8220;He is defending and trying also to create and make the difference up the field. He has to reduce his commitment up the field.

    &#8220;He is a defensive midfielder. Fortunately or unfortunately his skills mean he can be a playmaker. Sometimes he is out of position, because he is capable of doing something else.

    &#8220;I would just say that if I was the chairman of a Premier League club I would just close my eyes and put the figure on the cheque to get him.&#8221;

    &#8220;I would really like to, and I am planning to, get close to him and tell him, &#8216;No. Like a defender, first of all what is your mission? It is to defend. If you defend very well anything extra you do is fine. First of all, stick on one thing &#8211; defending very well and passing very quickly to the offensive players.&#8217;

    "Once he will have understood that you will see he is the best midfielder &#8211; better even than Patrick Vieira.&#8221;





    http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896...etter-than-vieira-was-arsenal-should-sign-the
     
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  19. Cb

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  20. lazarus20000

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    I think Fergies appoach to keeping his experienced players in the squad has been important. It helps him transmit the same sort of message he's giving out through his older players but also shows the younger ones a winning and strong mentality. This is one thing we've missed out on and something we need to rectify. Bring in players like Dennis to coach would be invaluable to our players.

    Back on M'Villa, he sounds like a player we really need. I still believe we need a midifeld that is more defensive minded than the rest and protect our back 4. I know we play a game that doesn't go with this system but when you have to close a game out, you need to protect at all costs. I thought Frimpong would do this but after he sustained another serious injury, it all seems less clear now....
     
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