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The hype about Carroll's dive?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Lucaaas, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Im menopausal so keep me out of it.

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    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Funny thing is though if he was to get Fergie's job after his retirement not one Utd supporter would be in agreement with his appointment.
     
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  3. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    Of course not.

    Hodgeson following Fergie would be like Paul Ince following Rafa.

    At the time Hodgeson had taken Fulham to strange knew heights and was rightfully receiving praise from all angles. He had earned a shot at a big club, a Tottenham would of been good for him, or a Newcastle. Liverpool were a little to big and with them struggling it was always going to be tough.

    Roy has shown his true colours by doing well with West Brom though. Liverpool were just a little to big and egotistical for him.
     
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  4. saintanton

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    This is true to a point. I had a lot of respect for Woy before he came to us. The problem was he said we should lower our expectations and be happy being where we were.
    Now would you accept a manager who thought that- if you were in our position? With that one statement he alienated himself from everyone who had any ambition for the club. Why would you give time to a manager who doesn't want to try for a significant improvement? Hodgson is a great manager for a club that's struggling with relegation and need someone to tighten them up, but he obviously suffers from altitude sickness.
     
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    Imagine this coming out to celebrate!

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  6. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    No but a season or 2 of realism doesnt hurt if part of a long term plan. No expecting the earth and quietly rebuilding would is a good thing.
     
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    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Well 'Arry's the media darling instead of Roy these days so maybe he will take over Fergie's throne.

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    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Your not factoring in that we'd almost gone out of business and gone through a battle for ownership as well as the Rafa leaving saga before Broughton decided to appoint Hodgson as our manager.
    Hodgson wasn't the right man and thats life.
     
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  9. saintanton

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    I take your point put I don't think we're going to agree on this. As I said earlier, I supported Roy when he was in charge but I wasn't sorry to see him go.
    He just didn't feel right for the club, he's good at what he does, but it's not what LFC need.
    As for your last point- we never do anything quietly, and we wouldn't be allowed to either.:)
     
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  10. UIR - Kagawa Powa

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    I agree, wrong time for all parties involved. It would of been hard enough had Liverpool been on top of the world never mind scraping along just above rock bottom as you were at the time.

    Roy shouldnt be judged on his short stint at Liverpool though.
     
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    We were only judging him on his appropriateness for us.
    He's good at what he does, but he's not the man to challenge at the top.
    Who is? Fergie is the template that all current managers in the Prem aspire to, but no-one so far has managed to get the better of the old git for long.
    Chelsea threw dosh at it and only achieved limited success, now City are trying the same tactic but still seem to be falling short.
    Pains me to say it- but I suspect you might have to change your username soon. <cringe>
     
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  12. Munstertoon

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    It appears that most of you don't get the point I was trying to make. I clearly stated that whatever the rights and the wrongs of everything, the public perception of Liverpool is at an all time low. Even Anfield icon John Aldridge has today suggested that Liverpool is a laughing stock.

    One can simly blame the media and develop even more of a siege mentality, or do something about it. To do that, whether or not it goes against the grain, a charm offensive on a grand scale is neccessary. Why? You might say. Well it's because the future success of LFC is based on marketing the brand that is Liverpool FC world wide, thereby increasing the global fan base, with the resultant increase in merchantising.

    At the moment, with "Suarezagte" making the front page of the New York Times and Boston Herald across the pond, as well as all the major newspapers across the Far East, things are going the opposite direction. This cannot be something that John Henry and his business partners are at all happy about.

    Whatever you may think of our manager, Alan Pardew is extremly media savvy, and he always comes across well, when interviewed. Compare that to Kenny Dalglish, who makes no attempt to hide his dislike for the media, and some of whose TV interviews must make even his most ardent supporters cringe at times. Is there no one else that could step in front of the cameras, on occasions, to portray a more smiling and acceptable face of Liverpool?

    Just a thought.
     
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  13. Zingy

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    Like Fergie "Go **** yourself BBC" Ferguson? Utter bullshit.
     
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  14. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I have no problem with either Carrolls dive or Cabayes from a Newcastle supporters point of view. In an ideal world diving, feigning injury, going down to easily or just cheating in general would be non existent. But in the real world every team in the league has them, indeed most of the players in the league would do whatever if they thought their team would benefit from it. Just the way the game has gone.

    Unfortunately Mr Nice Guy is now Mr Chump!
     
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  15. Spurlock

    Spurlock Homeboy Forum Moderator

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    im not wumming..but i dont think Dalglish was ever the right man for the job either..and that is nothing to do with hindsight.

    Not for the building process the owners had in mind with such a big kitty.

    As has been proved there is far too much emotional attachment with Dalglish by the fans that they struggled to see the woods for the trees..until recently.

    good luck with the rest of your season.
     
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  16. Munstertoon

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    Que?
     
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  17. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    You weren't ****ing robbed at all.

    You played a good 15 minutes, after that your heads dropped and we went on to secure the win that we clearly deserved.

    I kind of agree that we were lucky that Simpson wasn't sent off, but it's not as if Simpson deliberately put his arm in the way to stop the ball. His hand was on the post way before the ball came near him, and he tried to move his shoulder in the way of the ball to prevent a handball. It wasn't a deliberate handball.

    He's not just gonna pull his arm out of the way once it's there to let the ball go in the net though is he? He tried to put his shoulder in the way.

    And Suarez dives all the time, so cut the **** about what he does getting overhyped. The **** deserved to be banned for what he said. He's a diving, cheating bastard and dives all the time.

    There was contact from Reina on Perch, and Perch was right to go down. If players are stupid enough to cost their team by going around putting their heads in players faces, they deserve to get sent off, and unfortunately the only way the ref would know if that happened, is if the player went down.
     
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  18. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    Cant believe you are serious with this statement.

    So if a player is only slightly touched by an opposition player he should feign injury and roll around in imaginary agony to let the referee know there was minimal contact?
     
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  19. Lucaaas

    Lucaaas Well-Known Member

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    Funny how this wasn't Pardew's or Newcastle supporters logic when Luiz didn't get sent off, eh?

    Apparently Luiz not going off resulted in Newcastle's injuries and made you lose 3-0. Hypocrites.
     
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  20. Darth Plagueis

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    I don't think it should have been a red for Simpson. It wasn't a blatant attempt by Simpson to handle the ball. It should have been a pen, but not a red card. It's only a red if it's intentional.

    If you watch the incident in full speed, there's no way Simpson could have got his arm out of the way, and he clearly tried to put his Shoulder in front of the ball, not his arm. Plus, there were a bunch of players scrapping for the ball, there's no way the referee could have given a pen because there's no way he could have seen it.

    It was totally different to the Luiz incident and also the Chelsea result as a whole. Luiz blatantly tried to pull Ba down. After the incident, Chelsea got a penalty, which was saved, and overall it was an even game, we had plenty of chances throughout and hit the woodwork so many times.

    They scored two of their goals when we have no established CB's on the pitch. Coloccini went off early in the game, and Steven Taylor was off getting treatment when two of their goals went in, which killed the game. Perch was left to defend by himself.

    In our game, even though you were the better team in the first 15 minute, we were still threatening, and overall we totally deserved our win.

    Your heads hardly stayed together after going 2-0 up vs QPR did they? I doubt in your teams current state of mind, that an early penalty would have made the game that different.

    It just goes to show that every team gets bad decisions sometimes, it doesn't mean they have no right to complain when one goes against them.
     
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