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Seems like the bin dippers are a tad upset by Perch's reaction to Reina's head butt, from the pics I've seen there was contact but very minimal.
I personally hate players faking injury and was a touch embarrassed by Perch's reaction, BUT Reina should have know better and deserved to go regardless of the level of contact the intent was there.
Had it been the other way around say Krul and Suarez you can guarantee Suarez would have done exactly the same thing as he regularly dives to win pens as did Carroll today which was more embarrassing than Perch. At least there was contact on Perch.

But to see players like Glen Johnson and Rio Ferdinand tweeting about Perch's reaction, try looking at your own team mates or even your own (Rio and his failed to show drug test).

Diving a faking injury is not something I agree with, but can't stand these ****ing hypocrites who come out the woodwork to condemn it when they or their teammates are just as bad.

 

If he didn't go down Reina may have got away with it. Well done I say.

 

Too many hypocrites, they seem to forget what they got away with or tried to get away with.

 

Exactly remember on the first of the season when Song stamped on Barton, Barton showed no reaction and stayed on the pitch.

 

It's another Tiote moment, the opposition players both deserved to be sent off and might have got away with it had they not reacted. Maybe if they'd stayed on their feet and not gone down so lamely it wouldn't look as bad.
Is it cheating if there IS contact?

 

It isn't cheating if there is contact, it's just frowned upon to milk it, i guess

 

Perch was opportunistic and overreacted but Reina should not be giving him the chance. It makes me laugh that Perch is the villain of the piece when Reina is the one who displayed the violent intent and aggression. If that was our player I'd honestly say the same, you wouldn't catch me trying to defend one of ours if they headbutted or struck an opposition player no matter how soft they have to walk, I'd call him a ****ing idiot and move on. It's not really commendable reacting like that but it's the players' stupidity that got them in trouble and none of them can have any qualms. Even Dogleash could accept that it was a clear red card after the match FFS and we all know what that ****'s like.

 

This, so much this. All the blabber-mouth ****s on TalkSport were going on about how the players should be ashamed for trying to con other players; sorry but nutting (intentionally hurting) another player is a bit worse than highlighting the fact you've just been nutted (however gentle).

Same for when Barton punched Pedersen last season - MGP went down a bit soft but Barton was a cretin for punching him. MGP shouldn't have got any blame

 

They're just being sore... The game of football has evolved into such a stage where going down upon contact(with intent) is an open secret that everybody knows and does it... Nobody likes it happening to their team, but when the same situation is played over and over again even if its their players, they will undoubtedly do the same..

 

This

 

I hate it but at the end of the day that's modern football. Its the same as fans booing every former player regardless. The game has changed in both regards and people need to stop pissing and moaning on about it. Get on with it. Its very rich coming from Rio and Glen Johnson. I've seen Johnson dive for a start. Every team has divers. (we have one of the worst in Jonas) Every team looks for little one ups and ways to gain an advantage. Make no mistake, if Rio or Johnson had been in that situation, they'd have been falling down also to ensure the sending off. If Perch hadn't gone down he'd have stayed on. I'd prefer that but only if it is going to be replicated across the board. It isn't so **** them.

 

evening,

sorry for coming onto your board n'that, but i noticed this thread and had some thoughts about a similar thing a few weeks ago.

this is not having a dig at your players, just using it to illustrate a point, perch yesterday and tiote in the derby both go down exagerating injury and the offending players got sent off, no question that both were deserved reds.
a few weeks later in the wigan v wba match a wigan player fouls mulumba, he gets up shoves the wigan lad who then just walks away, mulumba then chased after him and shoves him again, then another wigan player trys to calm it down and mulumba grabs him by the throat, again the wigan player doesn't go down. Mulumba ends up getting a yellow card. this, in my view was a much worse incident than the two newcastle lads but didn't get as much punishment. This was clearly the refs fault for not applying the law, if referees aren't going to do this then players have no choice but to force the decision and go down. the ref in the wigan match had the perfect opportunity to show that players don't need to milk it in order to get the correct decision but instead did the exact opposite, setting back any attempts to get it out of the game.

on another note could hennessy/johnson at wolves and foster/odemwingie at wba not be sent off for butting each other at the weekend? just because they were on the same team doesn't make it any less of violent conduct.

 

To be fair martin, I heard them on talksport saying they couldn't do anything about it earlier, for me in the current world of modern technology and the amount of TV cameras at games they could easily have the 4th official looking out for incidents like the one's you mentioned then the players wouldn't feel the need to go down. Remember against Arsenal when Barton didn't overreact to a Song stamp no card, but later on he went down to less contact and Gervinho was sent off. He admitted on twitter the reason he went down was because Song hadn't been sent off. Also looked to me if Reina made the original contact from Perch look worse. That said the referee got the decision spot on.

 

See Bowyer/Dyer incident

 

Its very true Martin. The players feel the need to ensure the ref does the right thing because the refereeing is inconsistent. I'd prefer we didn't get so hung up on the referee's decisions altogether mind. I prefer rugby in this regard. They just accept the good and bad and play the game.

 

Huge part of the problem is inconsistency from referees, and the difference at how Rugby players accept refereeing decisions compared to footballers is vast.
We've agreed some footballers have taken to dramatics to ensure decisions are given in their favour, but I hate how some teams are so indisciplined they surround the ref, I've yet to see a ref be influenced by this and change his mind. (not saying it hasn't happened) Perhaps they should consult with the linesmen a bit more.

 

Perhaps they should consult with the linesmen a bit more.
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That's what they're there for, to help him.

 

Out of interest, does anyone know what Perch's yellow was for ?

I expect that it was for the barge on Reina which started the whole thing off, but as I was watching it I thought that the ref had booked Reina for violent conduct and Perch for simulation. If he did, then that was brilliant refereeing

 

It would make sense. To be honest the whole refereeing thing has become like a seperate sideshow to the game. Some of the refs have egos now! Several have agents which I find astounding. And the numbe rof times an assistant doesn't have the balls to take a decision and help a ref is unreal. But again some of that comes from the intimidation you're talking about. Its a vicious circle. These respect campaigns are well meaning but I have huge doubts whether they are an effective way to regain control. I think its easier to spot the problem than to change it. The problem being that we have allowed the problems to fester and become the norm.

 

Probably for the trip. He kicked Reina's leg away as he tried to jog out to throw the ball out. Very petty and very annoying if you've had it done to you. I've both done it and received it!! A bit silly from Perch but I can sympathise because I couldn't say to this day why I did on occasions. You get a bit hyped up and can't help yourself.