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Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by TenG, Mar 31, 2012.

  1. Not PC enough

    Not PC enough New Member

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    to be fair to carroll he is always likely to go over as he is top heavy due to him insisting on carrying his wallet with him during matches.
     
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  2. 667 - The Neighbour of the Beast

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    I'm trying to think of a bigger donkey than Carroll, that's ever played in the EPL.

    Duncan Ferguson was a bit of a lump, but at least he did pose a threat up front. Carroll is nothing other than laughable.

    Delgado, the Columbian who played for Saints, when they were in the EPL - he's was pretty dire, but then again he was out with an injury, for most of his stay at the club.

    Nope. I cannot think of a bigger donkey than Carroll.
     
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  3. And I think he may have weak knees.

    We really should be more charitable here y'know ;)
     
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  4. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    not likely - he's over-tall, over-priced, over-paid, over-played and over-rated.
    And he is a consummate cheat. But apart from that he's quite a likeable lad.
     
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  5. SpursDisciple

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    Bookmarked <ok>
     
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  6. If we get someone in after Arsene who doesn't consider 4th place a trophy then I'm sure I could provide you with an answer in under those 10 years <laugh>
     
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  7. TheOXOCube:5pur2

    TheOXOCube:5pur2 Pride of North London

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    Tbh I AW has shown intent about this window so maybe he's changing
     
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  8. TheBear

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    "Winning tactics"?
    seriously??? LOL - This is hilarious. Problem solved, we just need to adopt winning tactics!! If only the teams near the relegation places had thought of this!!



    Arsene Wengers pre - Swansea team talk:

    AW: "Listen lads, I know things have been going well recently but i think we should mix things up a little bit"
    Sagna: "How do you mean boss?"
    AW: "Wait for it ..... Loosing tactics boys, loosing tactics"
    Vermaelen: "Are you sure boss, we tried this earlier in the season..."
    Van Persie:"...not again boss!!..pleeease"
    AW: "I know it's a risk but everyone is expecting us to use those winning tactics again. Its the last thing they'll expect!!"
     
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  9. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    OXO - why is it any different to the usual on-off promises we've had ?
     
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  10. theHotHead

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    theBear - as opposed to dumbass tactics <ok>

    The solution is simple, if we are playing tactics which mean wins, why change it to a tactic that means a loss ? At what point did Wenger think "I know, I will play Ramsey wide left" was a cracking idea when he had players better suited to playing there ?

    One of them = dumbass tactics.
    The other = winning tactics - because we were winning <ok>
     
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  11. omogooner

    omogooner Well-Known Member

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    Are you implying AW's tactics/or lack of cost us the game against QPR? How can you legistlate for players not stepping up to the plate, or turing up.... I think the team he sent out should have been capable of getting a result, the players should take a good look at themselves and do a lot of soul searching. Notice I said players.... I don't agree Ramsey was the reason we lost.... Let's not make Ramsey the fall guy, 2months ago it was Walcott, some people on here even referring to him as Walcrap, now he is the toast of the Emirates!
     
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  12. TheBear

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    Agreed.people are pinning the loss on Wenger.

    The team we put out was easily good enough to win this game. That was still a strong line up. The fact is we lost because our top players did not perform.
     
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  13. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    I think playing Ramsey on the left was a mistake, but in a nutshell Bear is right. The team Wenger put out was strong enough to win the game.
    We lost because the WHOLE team lacked urgency and determination, which invited pressure and caused us to make mistakes.
    Some people don't want to see that, because their only agenda is to slate the manager and scapegoat individual players.
     
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  14. theHotHead

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    Lets get one thing straight - I rate Ramsey and have never singled him out for criticism. In my rants I blame the manager because he makes people do stupid things. Every wrong decision is made by the manager, from persevering with players out of position who are ineffective, to putting faith in mistake-prone players and injury-prone players, for the debacle with Eboue, for our 2 bob tactics, for substitutions, the lot.

    No I am not implying that AW's tactics cost us the game - I am telling you that they did. If players are burned out, who's fault is it ? If the same players are continually injured who's fault is it we don't have suitable cover ? Benayoun was on the bench, why didn't he play ? We went from playing an effective style of football in recent weeks to the same dross we WERE playing when we couldn't buy a win. Why wasn't the system changed when it was obvious it wasn't working ?

    I have dissed Walcott a lot, but I am clear with my criticisms of him - he is a crap winger - I want to see him played in a more direct way. Why didn't we buy back up for RVP ?? We have Chamakh, Park and Gervinho, why didn't we pick someone up in as cover ? surely we could've loaned someone .. it is clear Wenger has no faith in Park and Chamakh, why not loan them out ?

    Our problems lie squarely with Wenger who has mis-managed the team totally. WE can't afford any slip ups with Spurs breathing down their neck and with Lennon back they will be a better team for sure - they looked to be firing against Swansea. QPR was one of our banker games, we cannot look at ANY of our remaining games as bankers after that performance.

    RVB - the team lacked urgency because Wenger let them. If the manager told the players to press etc they would. when the manager tells you to do something you do it. If they don't then you need to discipline them. Either way it's down to the manager to instruct the team how to play.
     
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  15. TheBear

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    The main reason we lost because is simply we conceded two goals.

    Defensively we were all over the place. Koscielney and Vermaelen were dominated by Zamorra.




    btw. Wenger played Ramsey on the left because it worked against Newcastle.We brought him on moved roiscky into the middle and won the game.
     
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  16. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    you need to look at why did he get the chances - and where were our CBs when we lost possession.
     
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  17. ToledoTrumpton

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    Well, there was something strange going on defensively in the game. There is no doubt in my mind that Wenger changed the tactics defensively, and I'm not really sure why.

    This is just what I thought was going on, of course I could be wrong. We semed to be back to the 4-4 defence again. Ramsey was playing because he was coming back to sit in the screen, so defending, we were playing more of a 4-4-2, with Walcott and Van Persie up front.

    Whether wenger didn't think Kos could handle Zamora, or he felt the pitch was too bad to play man-to-man anywhere, or the pitch was smaller so easier to defend that way. Or he felt the referee lets teams get away with fouls off the ball, or god knows what else, but that is what they seemed to be doing.

    So while I don't often agree with the negatve crew on most issues, I think this time they were right and something changed. Now the case for Wenger would be that there was no guarentee that we would have won with the other system, and it could have been worse, and that it might not have been the system but the execution.
     
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  18. Cb

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    i think kos actually had quite a good game not sure why people are criticising him. Vermaelen obviously had a poor game but that happens. As has been said before we should just count this as (hopefully) a one off and get behind the team for man city.
     
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  19. theHotHead

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    There is no guarantee of winning with any formation, but nobody would complain if we lost playing a winning formation.

    You must play the formation and tactics that the team are able to play:
    Ramsey can't defend, so why play him in that way ?? Man U make changes of formation and tactic because they are defensively solid irrespective of formation/tactic played, we aren't, we should be playing to our strengths and defensive isn't one of them.
     
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  20. TheBear

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    hot head: because he offered more defensive solidity than Gervinho.(but can still also get forward) he's played well on the wing before in fact when he first came in to the Arsenal side he was played wide right.
     
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