Yes it's fans having a pop at Man Utd, but they don't seem to agree. Ourselves and Norwich even get a mention and it's not negative either. Still no "pundits" though and the fact that there's no sign of Cardiff's idiotic posters on this thread says it all to me as they know they'd be shot down on flames. Been very refreshing to have sensible input only from our neighbours decent posters, so far !
I am just adding these links because I wonder what we mean by pundits? A pundit is really anybody who is a source of opinion. I still find it unbelievable that there is any debate as to whether there has been discussion about the strength or weakness of the BPL in newspaper columns, on TV, or on web blogs. There has been for the last 2 seasons. It would seem to me it is only whether we agree or disagree with these articles that is up for debate. http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...g_debate_is_the_premier_league_strong_or_weak http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/16/champions-league-premier-league http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...es-dominance-of-Champions-League-is-over.html http://worldsport.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/19/man-utds-dominance-a-sign-of-premier-league-weakness/ http://www.sport.co.uk/features/Football/976/Is_the_Premier_League_better_for_being_weaker.aspx http://blogs-football.blogspot.com/2011/01/premier-league-has-it-really-declined.html http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/05/17/league-comparison-by-points/ http://www.significancemagazine.org...remier-League-more-predictable-than-ever.html
Jackash, do me a favour please. This thread has gone on long enough, the point has been proved, Sour Grapes are on the menu down there in Legoland so can you please lock/shut it down. I never did have my answer either !!!
man utd got a record for goals scored so far with what 2 me looks the weakest man utd sides since the first division got its new glittery name.and looking at who`s left in europe i see english teams are going the way of the italians........what used 2 be sort of football................the best league by a clear mile is spains la liga. im not into sour grapes,i can only speak for myself but in my opinion theres nowt 2 shout about this year,the only plus point like last year with blackpool the teams promoted have given a good account of themselves (apart from qpr lol)
Wow...there you go JackAsh Dilligaf doesn't want anyone to disagree or discuss the issue and ignores a set of links, so close the thread
Siam, I'm getting bored that's all, it's been going on all week and it's obvious we're all going to have to agree to disagree. At least it hasn't descended into chaos for a change, so I tell you what I take it back and ask Jackash not to shut it down then. As this is our first season in the Premier League it's hard for any Swans fan to compare it to other seasons as we've only ever seen random live tv matches before. What I can say is that it is a big step up from the Championship, all the teams are quicker and stronger and sometimes the pace of the games are frightening. If the roles were reversed and it was Cardiff in the Prem and doing as well as we are then there would be no mention of it being a weak Premier League from any Cardiff fan. We have had to learn and grow as a team during the season, if we hadn't we'd have been mullered week in week out. Looking back playing Man City in the 1st game was a blessing in disguise as it was a massive wake up call. You have to remember that we finished 3rd last season and we are a much better team now than then. This I believe is where the misconception comes from regarding the Prem being weaker. It's not weaker, teams like us and Norwich have become stronger. QPR haven't improved and if shows. Food for thought, how would Cardiff get on with their present team if they were in the Premier League next season ? How would Cardiff do in a game against the Swans played tomorrow ? If either were to happen then some Cardiff fans could well be in for a rude awakening.
Aber, sorry mate nearly missed you back there. How's it going ? Hope your ok and behaving yourself !!
i do know one thing that the blueturds would love to be where we are and the championship is poor this season without the swans and norwich and qpr in it.....the premiership is the place to be.....i love it.....roll on next season i say after we play man utd and liverpool in our last two games....lovely jubbly....
I don't think anyone could argue with that Dai. If Cardiff get promoted then they and their fans will see just how weak the Premier League is. I'm not being funny or gloating but until you're in it and watch it week in week out you don't realise the step up it is. Perhaps next season Cardiff will be where we are and then they can see first hand for themselves, if they are and if they do well I bet we won't hear one word from them saying how weak the league is.
I know it's a step up and I know that the task if you do go up it to stay up. That doesn't mean that it's not weaker than it has been in previous years... We had an incredibly strong PL a few years ago, wasn't it 3 PL teams in the semi's of the Champions League? An all England final with MU v Chelsea, pretty sure we've had 4 teams in the quarters a few times too. This year you have to say that all the teams have been overtaken by a few elsewhere and it's not just because they've got stronger it's because ours have also go weaker. Maybe you could give me your opinions on these points: Are Man Utd worse than they were 2+ years ago? Have Arsenal had a terrible season with only glimpses of good form? Are Chelsea nothing compared to how they have been up til about 1-2 years ago? Are Liverpool better or worse than 2+ years ago? Nothing to do with sour grapes really, only opinion. In fact I'm quite proud of how our fellow Welsh club is doing. If we're not in the same league I have no reason to want them to do badly. My only hope is that we get to join them there and show the PL how to play a proper derby. EDIT: Plus I'm a fan of the Welsh players in there like Williams and Allen I think they're class.
Dilli, I understand you are bored, but just let the thread run. Something interesting may pop up I agree that we agree to disagree on some points, but we do agree on most. I agree that we would defend the PL if we were in it, same us you are defending it here. But I also think you may be stating that it is weaker if we were 8th and laughing at us if we were bottom I also agree that you are a better team than at the end of last season. I focus on the top 4 or 5 when i discuss the weakening of the PL...so perhaps that is a different topic? We would finish bottom with our present team! The Swans would beat us 4 out of 5, I imagine. They should anyway! No rude awakening. I assume we would buy some players Dai - It goes without saying that all Cardiff fans would love to be in the PL...but you keep saying it Anyway Dilli, I will leave the thread alone now. Just interested in the debate, but as you say, it has reached a dead end
Look at the date of the article in your first link, it's 2010. The period you're trying to tell us was such a great time for the BPL. Wrap this up before I get a coronary from laughing so much!!!!
When has siam said that last season was a great season? In fact if you look at his post he says it's been going on for the last 2 seasons Last season included Dec 2010. Feel free to give yourself a coronary over not having a clue when seasons begin and end. I do think it's only going to get better and better from next season though and this is just a blip.
Siam, it would be no rude awakening to the decent fans like yourself only the numptys (yes we've got them too). No need for you to leave alone, yes I agree that occasionally we may disagree but at the end of the day on here it's all about opinions and I for one welcome yours.
Some of those links are woefully out of date and many talk about how our 'top clubs' have failed to dominate the Champions League. I agree that teams like Man U, Liverpool and Chelski are not the teams of old - it would be foolish to say otherwise. But it's naive to concentrate on those teams as a barometer of overall standard. To turn deadpassive's question around: "Are Man Utd worse than they were 2+ years ago? Have Arsenal had a terrible season with only glimpses of good form? Are Chelsea nothing compared to how they have been up til about 1-2 years ago? Are Liverpool better or worse than 2+ years ago?" I'd say: "Are Man City unrecognisably better than they were 2+ years ago? Have Spurs had an excellent season and come into their own, challenging for a top 4 finish? Are the promoted teams of higher quality than in previous seasons (apart from QPR)? Are Newcastle better or worse than 2+ years ago?" In trying to make your point you have concentrated on the slipping standards of the big teams (real or otherwise) whilst neglecting to mention other teams that have improved immeasurably. That fact doesn't make the league weaker it just makes it more open, and more akin to the Championship in the sense that anyone can beat anyone on the day. The Premier League is turning into a division that isn't just about the 'big clubs' any more and will be all the better for it imo.
I hadn't noticed the dates. Let's be specific please and talk about this season because according to some, who shall remain unnamed, the Prem is weaker THIS season. They probably think this because we're in it and they're not.
This 'the premier league is weaker" is utter nonsense. Has anybody that thinks this watched a game this season? Man city have pretty much brushed everybody aside until recently, Man Utd have played a team full of youth players (mainly), Arsenal have been pretty dire for a few seasons, Tottenham and Newcastle have improved massivley. So its a case of the lesser teams getting better, not the big teams getting weaker. Also, did anybody watch Bilbao beat United? What a team they have, and full of youth. So for me, its a case that clubs across the globe are improving at a rate of knots, its that simple.
the prem is not weaker at all, what has happened is the also rans are much stronger and apart from qpr both swans and norwich had premiership players in the making in their side before we were promoted that added to the league. at cardiff they dont have the quality yet and only whitts would fit in, west ham have some players and both reading and saints have three or four players that should make the step up but even they are not as strong as the three promoted sides last season, the last thing you want is to get promoted without any players good enough just like derby and a few others did a couple of years ago or like derby you will be whipping boys all season, the premiership is the hardest and most respected league in the world that the best players in the world want to try during their career.....weaker it is not but stronger as the gap closes between the top 4 and the rest....
Sort of the point I tried to make. As I stated, perhaps my topic is different to what the thread is focusing on. I feel the rest of the leagues around the globe are getting stronger, which makes the BPL weaker in comparison. My point with the links was to show that the topic has been discussed for the last couple of years. It is very difficult to decide if it is actually weaker in comparison with the past as obviously we can't make any real comparison besides guessing. Which is what everybody is doing. My guess is the BPL will slip further over the next few seasons. Will that make it less competitive...no, and it will not affect anything beyond the CL and the EL. Dai - I think it is changing however. A lot of players are not interested in coming to the BPL anymore. Beyond that, I don't think whether the league is weaker or not has any impact on Swansea's performance. The Championship have not bridged the gap between leagues at all. The points had to be gained.
