True, but it's reasonable to assume that we'll lose some of the ones who are worth more than £25k per year, and keep all of the ones who are worth less. At the moment clubs wouldn't dare touch our better prospects because given our reputation, the compensation would be astronomical. EPPP removes that protection.
i really can't see why we voted for it...it makes no sense to me. I'm not bright, and mathematically inept to be honest, but to me, the sums just don't add up!
Pub to be renamed "The Yellow and Red Lion". Not too keen to be honest, but I guess an open pub with a mediocre name beats a derelict building.
Don't like that at all! Who thought of that?! The Golden Lion would have been better, or maybe The Hornets Nest.
The football league chairman voted on the EPPP and voted for increased payments from the prem ,(all the teams without decent academies grabbed the quick buck) We were in the minority in the championship along with Derby and Middleborough and Forest! I think championship clubs recieve a handout of approx £500k for the right to give away any young talent I dont think now we would have any legal leg to stand on if we fought it , However there must be some loopholes a decent set of legal eagles may be able to find, I live in hope anyway , but am totally unimpressed with the way the prem is raping the system.......again. I wish the big 4 would sod off and join a euro super league and the rest could go back to the old Div 1,2 3 ,4 ,but it will never happen imo.
Yup, as you said the reason EPPP went through is that the Premier League were threatening to not payout as much to Football League teams. I think what you have to think about before getting all worked up is...are we going to lose out? Firstly, how many young players do we "give away" (and get a nice paycheck for)? Probably not that many...I would assume that at a club like Watford, a lot of the young players would want to stay due to the quality of the academy and the opportunities they get at Watford. What you then have to think about is..even if some of our players do decide to leave, and we do get pretty poor compensation...will that value outweigh that of the increase in funding from the Premier League? Another thing is that the funding is guaranteed, the other is just a possibility. End of the day...whilst more clubs may attempt to sign other club's players up because of EPPP...what really matters is our ability to convince them to stay with us. If they want to sign up for us then it doesn't matter if EPPP is there. Also....I'll presume that Watford will also be trying to sign other club's players up.......so we might save a few bob. The good thing about the Premier League is....the money follows it. This money trickles down into the Football League...if you take out the big teams, then you'll lose a lot of that money, and I'd guess that the interest in Football League football would go down.
This is a copy more or less from the Hornet Player interview with Pricey before the game yesterday. http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/9621849.Bassini_praised_ahead_of_Yellow_and_Red_Lion_opening/
Moose if we assume that each championship club gets approx 500k a year ,In Watfords case I am certain our academy could produce that amount or more on an annual basis if not more ,without EPPP our best nippers wont get cherry picked for peanuts! with EPPP it is a strong possibility there will be more forresters ! To be a class 1 academy we have to commit 2.5m per season increasing each year ,Ipswich have already been forced to go for class2 coz they cant afford it! I think we would be in a similar position to them! thus meaning any class 1 academy can and will cherrypick us! The bigger \richer teams it will be a win win situation which will leave a lot of talanted youngsters not getting game time because of the rule changes affecting loans ,one hell of a double whammy by the FL
I take Moose's point that we need to look at the big picture, but the current system for youngsters works well, provided individual clubs are committed to producing youngsters. I would also make the point that the success of youth systems at clubs like Watford, Middlesbrough, Crystal Palace and so on is that for them working out how to produce as many good players as possible is the starting point. The English Premiership's P-word-I-won't-say Plan gives too much power to clubs capable of spending £2.5m a year. At the other end of the scale, it gives too much money to clubs who do not have the mentality of the clubs I name above, and are therefore likely to do the minimum possible as cheaply as possible, and use the surplus to subsidise the running of their first teams. The clubs it hits hard are those in the middle who are trying to punch above their weight in youth development, who are losing the safeguard they have over their most promising players, for a relatively small amount of additional funding. Nick Cox explains the effect EPPP might have had in the Harry Forrester scenario here: http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sp...421.Watford_Academy_to_be_audited_next_month/ If we lose the tribunal system, not only are we losing money when a player like Forrester decides to leave early, but we are massively increasing the extent to which the big clubs are prepared to raid academies such as ours. Even at a club like Watford, which goes out of its way to get parents on board, you have to assume that the extra pressure will increase the number of players who (erroneously?) take the Forrester route.
Going along way back to the EPPP and the scheme. These compensating figures can only be minimum numbers. What happens if two big clubs want one particular player, the same as always you will have offers and these will go up until one club stops.
Good point Ak then the player gets a choice but as the fees will be fixed there will be no bidding war ! Thats as I see it anyhow
I'd suspect that any bidding war would only be in terms of wages on offer, not on compensation to the losing club.
Pretty much. If a player is minded to move to the bigger club, he will not want to do anything that might jeopardise the move, particularly at that age. It's very rare at any level or any age that you get a Reyes type situation, where the player acts on behalf of the selling club to drive his transfer fee up.
Surely these figures are for out of contract players. What it could therefore do is encourage the club to a bigger commitment to the players by offering longer and better term contracts to the youth they recognise as high ability? This might end up flattening the wage structure a bit, I may be wrong but thats how I see it.
