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Should Dirk Kuyt and Lucas get new deals.

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by KingPepeReina., Mar 23, 2011.

  1. KingPepeReina.

    KingPepeReina. Active Member

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    I was wondering what other Liverpool fans thought whether Dirk Kuyt should get a new deal.Then again the same question could be asked about Lucas.
    Both are not what you would call the most talented,but they put in a decent shift,and their atitude is superb.
    Dirk Kuyt aka the blonde bulldozer is ultra reliable.As for Lucas,I reckon in the last two seasons he's come on leaps and bounds.Its just my opinion both deserve new deals.
     
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  2. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I agree that both should get new deals, I know we are trying to build a team with young players being brought in so that we get good value for our buys but we also need experience and Kuyt comes in that bracket. I'm now officially a big fan of Lucas and think he will be a top player in years to come!
     
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  3. Ze

    Ze Well-Known Member

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    I think Lucas definetly should. He's young, playing very well and still looks set to improve.

    Kuyt, I'm not sure. Whilst I would definetly say he is very loyal, very hard working and is an absolutely amazing player to have on any team - he's 30. At 30 he'll most likely go for <10m; give it 2 years and it'll have dropped to <5m simply because past the age of 30 prices just decrease very rapidly. So it's all about weighing it up - Is Kuyt (who relies mainly on his stamina) going to be worth another 10m in the next 4 years? That's only a question the manager can answer.
     
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  4. King_Kenny

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    I suppose the real question is "If we have the funds to bring in better players in their positions, should Kuyt and Lucas be given new contracts?"

    If we have money to bring in better players (out-and-out winger?) then I would be inclined to try and cash in on Dirk now rather than get nothing for him in a couple of years time. This would also free up bench space for a youngster maybe? Lucas is still young however and, even though he may not be a world beater right now, he has time on his side to improve, as he has done so already, so I would like him to get a new contract.

    If we don't have plans to improve the squad then sign both up and bring Sami back on a free!
     
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  5. BringBackfootie

    BringBackfootie New Member

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    Auld Dirkulator has a lot to teach young players, Commitment postioning yourself on a football (Something this region of football seems to be lacking badly) how to change pace (albeit from maga slow to just slow in Dirk's case) but you get my point, how to keep ultra fit, and in his more direct attacking role, 4 in 2 prem games, how to poach and score headers right in front of the goaly when you are not so tall or\and lacking an exceptional leap (Hernandez has a great jump on him).

    Lucas, I would be happier if he would maybe not pass to a CB when a midfield pass was on, slowing down our attack and letting the opposition fall back nice and orderly. He takes the sting out of our counters sometimes with overly safe passes, granted he has good stats but it is also true that stats only tell you he is passing to a team mate not how that pass affects the passage of play. out of 1000 passes how many were useful and how many were tap to Jamie or Skrtel when something else was on, though Mereiles doesn't cover himself in glory moving into holes to give Lucas better options, I am more prepared to keep Lucas than Mereiles thats for sure
     
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  6. KingPepeReina.

    KingPepeReina. Active Member

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    I would keep Mereiles.
    It has taken him a little bit of time to adapt.He can be erratic.He can go from the sublime to the substandard from one game to the next.But he has taken the pressure off Gerrard by appointing himself corner taker.Who better to take advantage at the edge of the box if he gets his deliveries right...at least 3 times out of 10.
     
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    (My original post from 606 on this...) Kuyt deserves another 2 years. He isn't worth much financially any more due to his age so it would be better for us to keep hold of him rather then watching him do his thing for another team.

    Kuyt will be an asset outside of the first XI as I think he is a player young players look up to and if he can install his attitude in to just one player then it will be worth more then the money paid on any contract extension

    Lucas also deserves another contract, It wouldn't surprise me if he is Liverpool's next captain, I seriously rate this guy!
     
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  8. Muppetfinder General

    Muppetfinder General Well-Known Member

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    And how many were passing it on after winning back possession? In those circumstances any kind of pass is good.

    I've backed Lucas since day one. I've written plenty on giving younger players time to develop rather than expecting overnight sensations and Lucas is the proof in the pudding. Improvement year on year and at 24 hitting the form you'd expect of a 24-yr old. I expect him to continue improving because of his work ethic and faultless attitude.

    It was said on LFC TV that Kuyt would be important to bring in for those games like Chelsea away when you want somebody who's going to slog and track back all game. And of course the reason he scores important goals is because he's a big game player who can handle the pressure. That's an important quality for younger players to learn from.

    Overall I don't think it's just these two but all the players who're going to have to think squad rather than automatic selection. I'd keep both because we don't need to be bringing in half a squad in a console-like way and expecting them all to settle and gel.
     
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  9. ufos

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    The only deals they could get at ot is selling pies at half time. Both players are very average imho. Nobody else would be chasing them anyway.
     
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    Man Utd couldn't afford them... not without selling first, and who's going to want to buy Bebe, Owen or Hargreaves
     
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    When you consider the way Lucas has improved and that he's only 24 and starting for Brazil.

    He could be an amazing player in a couple of years time and that's not saying he's bad now but just that he will improve again.

    I don't think we need a DM to start for us we need cover for Lucas and that says it all really.
     
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    Lucas is , for me, a perfect example of a player who needs a bit of time to not only get used to a style, system, where you are playing ( rough and rugged prem), but he also might be a late bloomer in terms of that type of ability.

    If those who followed remember, he was incredible at Gremio, but his position was a lot different, the same with his responsibilities as a player. he had to pretty much change his game and is just now bearing the fruit that we thought he could. he will continue to grow and be a player for us.
     
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  13. KingPepeReina.

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    Obertan,Bebe and Hargreaves.
    Only an idiot would buy those.
    I wonder who that idiot was....His initials are Alex Frrguson.
     
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  14. Chris.

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    I think both deserve new contracts. Like most people have said so far, Lucas has improved dramatically this season and Kuyt has been playing well lately because he is being played as a striker which is the position he was bought as. With Suarez and Carroll up front, I can't seem him starting as many games as he does now but he would be a good striker to have as back-up. He can also help the younger strikers becuase he is an excellent role model.
     
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    And Lucas isn't?
     
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  16. BringBackfootie

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    Agree maybe I am a little harsh on Lucas, because he has had some fkn stinkers and has done things that have directly led to conceding last season and yes he has improved this season, but how could he not!

    He owned Chelsea at the Bridge and Kuyt Owned United at Anfield, I am happy for both to stay as you say, half hte team going out the door at once is never a good thing. I didn't say I think it should not be renewed, just that parts of his game need work, he's 24, he should be further along but maybe his limited chances really until Xabi went are what held him up. We'll see next season I guess. Even at Dirks age, he still goes past players on hte right, even though he is slow, I'd hate to have to mark him for 90 minutes, fk that:)
     
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  17. KingPepeReina.

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    I agree with that.
    I would hate it as a defender having to mark Dirk Kuyt for the simple reason,he doesn't stay where he starts.He's actually told not to.Its the reason why all his managers rate him so highly.Some players stay where they start.Luis Suarez doesn't.He starts up front and wanders about finding space where he can cause havoc.If you are a forward this is allowed,but midfielders with the exception of Steven Gerrard generally finish where they start.
    I mentioned Gerrard,because people let Gerrard move about because he has the ability to do damage when he roams about.If he isn't playing that duty falls to Raul Mereiles.However Stevie on occasions has sat back and let Mereiles do what he used to and that is roam about,maybe because he was having trouble with his groin and thats it.Or maybe it was a change in strategy.However it worked to perfection against Man United.
    Stevie sat back with Lucas and let Mereiles bomb on,and create havoc.
     
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  18. BringBackfootie

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    I'd be happier to see the Gerrard Mereiles thing work on a team that actually had a midfield instead of United
     
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    Both not realy good enough are they? kUYT has had his day, Lucas will never be more than a back up for you guys
     
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  20. Ze

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    I don't blame opposition fans for saying things like this because you don't get to see Lucas every week, when you think of Lucas - you're probably thinking back to last year or even the year before that when Liverpool supporters were chanting for him out which certainly made him known on the pitch as a waste of space to opposition supporters. But he's actually improved immensely - I'd say he's the most improved midfielder this season despite our poor run, and the fact that you still think of him as a "back up" is actually good, because it means when you see us play, you don't see him very much. That's because he's turning into a good defensive midfielder.
     
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