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Tend to agree with Mr RAW on this. Reducing tax in pubs where the sale of booze is regulated by a licensed landlord is the way forward. No-one can compete with the buying power of the supermarkets and selling it cheap to youngsters is out of order. I have been bothered by pissed up youngsters and I'm worried that I could get done for twatting one of the little buggers some time soon. Not sure a tax hike is the right way forward, but it's difficult to argue against.
Right, I've been busy as **** today laying carpets & I'm shagged. I've just worked this out though. 40p per unit minimum price they are talking about. Went & got an empty cider bottle out of the bin which states on the label 8.4 units. The bottle is flash priced at £1.49, now if this come in, which it will as they all piss in the same pot, it will push the price up £3.36. Well Mr Coneroon, you & your arse licker Clegg can shove it up your ****y arseholes, cos I'm not paying it. I'll make my own, so **** you. They'd rather do this & spoil things for everyone than punish the arseholes that cause the bother. All MP's = spineless, thieving, guttless, yellow pricks. I hope the lot of the ****s fester in hell.
Not like you Billy to beat around the bush mate. They are all for punishing the ones who have a drink then just go home instead of hammering the ones that cause all the bother because I guarantee most of the time it's the same ****wits doing it. You want to join my micro brewery mate you can do the wine I'll do the beer just need someone in charge of liquer now any ideas?
There is one advantage, could make the mods life on here a little easier on a Friday night, joke, joke
Introduce an offence of being Drunk, end of, no disorderly or incapable, if your out and obviously pissed then you get locked up first offence £1000 fine and ratchet it up for re offenders, if they wont pay the fines lock them up, Ill guarantee within a generation the drunk problem will disappear. You heard it here first.
Why should people of my generation over 60s who enjoy a pint without bothering anybody have to have the price jacked up just for the government to show the voters they are doing something about this endemic problem. Hit the piss heads where it hurts by dealing with them severly and not punishing eveybody. (this should have been on the end of my previous post) lol
Kind of go along with this mate but I'm a placid drunk on the rare occasions I go out and don't fancy getting locked up for it. However I would be happy to see violent, pervy, pukey, noisy drunks properly punished. Heavy fines, jail and curfews would be a good start. Putting up the cost of booze will do **** all. Pissheads will still get pissed.
A sensible reply, High earners and middle earners, will it affect them...........no Low earners who can no longer afford to go out and rely on cheap booze at home, will it affect them, yes. Kids who buy cheap booze and cause bother, will it affect them, not a lot. So who suffers? The man or woman who is working hard, trying to spend what they have to give their kids the best they can and enjoy a couple of cans, at home at the weekend, sounds about the norm to me.
Nothing the Tory bastards ever do has any kind of benefit for the majority of hard working class people of the UK. Despite what some social climbing ****wits believe there are only 2 classes of people in the world. Those who have wealth and those who graft their bollocks off to keep them there. Sure, there is always a slick sugar coated PR bullshit machine hard at work at Tory HQ to make us think they do what they do for all our benefit but they don't. The old Etonian network is alive and well in government today. They are about to change the magnificamt NHS forever and yet we have been sleep walked into it; once its gone its gone and before long privatisation will not creep but gallop and working class people will be priced out of good healthcare. Universities now charge £9000 a year and again, it's sugar coated to say that you pay less back per month and only when earning so much. Well bugger of sideways, but the whole point of going university is to increase your earning capacity surely, so that's a nonsensical argument. It's all about landing working class kids with lifetime debts to subsidize for their kids, forgetting that they have enough money to pay 10 times the fees anyway. This alcohol tax won't have a single effect on the problem it wishes to address but it will pay for them to reduce tax for the already well off in a 45% tax rate. It's again sugar coated as a health issue but in reality its a fund raiser dot themselves. Alcoholism, as with drugs, isn't a money issue its am addiction issue. As we see with drugs, this will only increase crime to allow people to fund their habit. The social drunks should be dealt with through the courts and stricter law enforcement to punish offenders not law abiding majorities. However, the Tories have on desire to do this as that would cost money and effort. Better to price everyone out of the market, except themselves of course, just like reducing congestion on the roads is dealt by pricing pensioners and hard working families off the road, and that way, they have everything to themselves. When are people going to wake up and start to fight back? Not in an illegal way as in the summer riots of 2011 but at the ballot box. All the riots actually did, was offer good camouflage for the govt to create diversions to what was really happening. Cameron and Clegg are the biggest pair of con men this nation has ever seen and yet they are allowed, with absolutely on mandate from the people, to walk rough shod over us all. Wake up Britain. Before its too late. Cameron and Clegg are the real enemy within.
Good post Cest. However, I fear that all three major parties will stop at nothing to maintain the three party system. They are all in cahoots man. I remember when VAT was introduced, Labour went ballistic over it, how wrong it was, blah, blah, blah. When they got back into power, the ****s left it as it was. ****ers.
Seems most have had their say now... Next ot post..... What sentence should this fella have got for this horrible crime?....Time for capital punishment or not? A Tyneside man has been jailed for life for murdering his elderly father and burying his dismembered body beneath a patio. Francis Willis, 62, used a hammer to kill his 88-year-old father, also called Francis Willis, after a row over cigarettes at their Gateshead home. Newcastle Crown Court heard he used a chainsaw to cut up the corpse last August. Willis was told he would serve a minimum of 17 years. The court heard Mr Willis Snr had been buried in four industrial bin bags beneath newly-laid flagstones. His son told police investigating the pensioner's disappearance that his father was on holiday. Concerned neighbours He also told them "you won't have to look there" when they searched the rear garden, where a patio had been built, at the home the men shared in the Carr Hill area of Leam Lane, Gateshead. Jailing him, Mr Justice Clarke said the way he had treated the body had been "an insult to the dead". Police began investigating after neighbours became concerned when they had not seen Mr Willis Snr for some time. Willis Jnr, who had lived with his father since his brother's death five years earlier, told police and locals that his father had been on holiday to Great Yarmouth and then went on to visit friends in Doncaster. Mark Giuliani, prosecuting, said the pensioner had been battered to death in an attack of "horrific ferocity". The men had argued about the financial contribution that Willis Jnr, who had debt problems, was making to the house and about him smoking his father's cigarettes. Forensic investigators found blood spattered on the walls, ceiling and furniture of Mr Willis Snr's bedroom, where was killed. Bloodstained slippers Willis then bought paint, a knife, a shovel, weedkiller, builder's aggregate and a chainsaw in an "ill-conceived and morbid attempt" to conceal his crime. He even enlisted the help of a neighbour to dig a hole in the back garden which he later used for his father's body. Investigators found blood and tissue covering the teeth of the chainsaw and on the hammer, which had been hidden in the garden shed. They also found a pair of bloodstained slippers and a walking stick in the garden. In the days following the murder, Willis Jnr withdraw more than £2,500 from his father's bank accounts. Jamie Hill, defending, said Willis Jnr had lashed out in anger, then panicked when he realised what he had done. He said the crime was not motivated by money. The court heard Willis Jnr had a previous conviction for arson. After the hearing, senior investigating officer Det Ch Insp Andy Potts, of Northumbria Police, said: "My thoughts have been with Mr Willis Snr's family throughout this investigation. "This has been a difficult ordeal and has had a devastating impact on them. This was a very distressing case for the family who continue to come to terms with what has happened. "I would like to thank them for their support during the investigation which has helped to achieve this conviction. My sympathies continue to rest with the family at this difficult time.
What if the state hangs an innocent man? Do we just accept that? Its been proved in this country and especially in the US that dozens if not 100's of people have been wrongly executed 'legally' by the state. 1 state murder would be bad. 100's is a disgrace. I'm in favour of whole life sentences but not capital punishment. Billy - at least Labour use the money for everyone's benefit like modernising schools; building more hospitals; employing more nurses and doctors and in communities and areas all over the UK. They don't use the money collected from the masses to fund their rich, well educated elite network lifestyles. I am lucky enough to have had a decent education and have a well paid management job that affords me a decent lifestyle, nice car and comfortable life. That doesn't mean I want this at the expense of everyone who hasnt got it. Its why I believe in the social democracy afforded by Blair. Not communism but social democracy where everyone benefits, not just the elite.
