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Too Many Pundits - Brian Clough Called it Right in 1979

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by mussiesredhat, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. mussiesredhat

    mussiesredhat Active Member

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    Why can't the broadcasters let us watch games in peace without having to have endless streams of 'nobody' ex-pro pundits jumping on the gravy train to give us their 'informed' opinion - in the knowledge that we are paying for them. The Master, Brian Clough gave the warning all those years ago in 1979.

    "You and your colleagues are turning us off family entertainment on a Saturday night by lecturing us..."

    "You (the media) are becoming too deep. Your setting yourselves up as judge and jury. You've gone over the dividing line where you have a contribution to make to one of being dogmatic, over-bearing, boring and you can keep going...."

    "Its (often) difficult to justify a none-none but if that's what you get when you take your cameras to a ground, then show the none-none. Don't try and justify it and pick things out and bore us all to tears with your lectures."

    "If we want to see discussion on things for half-an-hour, we'll switch Shirley Williams on...." (Brilliant Mr Clough. Hahaha)

    "There's a difference between talking and arguing (about incidents) in a pub with your own mates, and being lectured in your own arm chair in your own home about what you should be seeing and what you should be thinking.."

    "I think what you do to referees is nothing short of criminal." To paraphrase: "he (the ref) makes a decision in seconds. i've looked at one of your machines 24 times on a decision and still couldn't get it right. And that is what you do every time!"

    And in a classic finale, whilst showing the hand yapping gesture directly to Motty, he concludes: "As a layman who enjoys watching his football, we are getting too much of that (yapping) and I suggest you shut up and show more football."

    The man is a genius and way ahead of his time. If we can set-up Cantona as some kind of latter day Philosopher, I suggest that the television and radio companies spend more time listening to the teachings of Clough! The man is a working class hero and a genius with his words of wisdom.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16039736
     
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  2. The FRENCH TICKLER

    The FRENCH TICKLER Well-Known Member

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    INDEED. NUFF SAID. Cloughie was so correct all those years ago. I bet he is turning in his grave with the likes of Dowie earning a living as a pundit. At least the BBC pundits have actually won proper titles. (Hanson-Lawro-Shearer-Dixon)
     
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  3. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Well-Known Member

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    Brilliant.
     
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  4. mussiesredhat

    mussiesredhat Active Member

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    may i suggest that we dont need even Hanson, Lawro, Shearer and Dixon to lecture to us on what we should be thinking. over-paid and pointless fabricated profession. it's our game. let's keep it.
     
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  5. PLT

    PLT Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but that part is bollocks. Why does it matter how many titles you've won? I'd say anyone who's been into management at some point would have a better understanding of how the game works than a good ex-player who never managed a team. I've got no problem with the pundits you mentioned but I don't agree with the titles thing. That sounds like what a Leeds fan would say.
     
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  6. TygerTyger

    TygerTyger Well-Known Member

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    Personally I thought Brian Clough was a cock, but he was dead right about the Media (and in fairness about most other things). Just goes to show you can be right and still a cock (not you TWF, you're wrong and a cock!).
     
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  7. Party Hull!

    Party Hull! Well-Known Member

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    There's a lot of things wrong with football coverage if you ask me.

    Pundits included.
     
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  8. Carmine Galante.

    Carmine Galante. Well-Known Member

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    At least Andy Gray and the bloke with the hairy hands have been given the boot.
    Keys was the smuggest, most patronising, condescending one out of all of 'em.

    As for Cloughie, he was a one off. How he never got the England job was a disgrace.
     
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  9. Cillit Bang

    Cillit Bang Active Member

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    For the reasons he never got the England job you only have to read above!
    The English FA hated people who didn't say "Yes Sir, No Sir". They shat themselves at the very thought of him rolling into FA Headquarters and telling them a few home truths.
    In the words of Cloughie: "I wouldn't say I was the best manager in the business. But I was in the top one."
     
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  10. C'mon ref

    C'mon ref Well-Known Member

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    I did read somewhere that Alan Hansen is paid £40,000 per appearance, but I don't have a link to the original article. As for Brian Clough, it was said that he was the best manager England never had. Not only that but he is alleged to have made a very large offer for Ken Wagstaff at one point although the amount was never revealed. I was at Derby when City tore them apart at the Baseball Ground and Waggy had a blinder, maybe it was somewhere around that game. But Derby at that time had one of the smallest goalies in the game, one Les Green, ironically enough formerly of Hull City.
     
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  11. Cillit Bang

    Cillit Bang Active Member

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    I'm not certain but I don't think it was Wagstaff- I think it may've been for Chilton.
    Chillo lives not far from my old stomping ground and is a friend of the family and I seem to remember him saying, Cloughie had told him years later, "If you'd signed for me when I came in for you, you'd have been an England international".
    The offer apparently was huge, certainly more than the £90k we got from Coventry!
     
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  12. mostynthecat

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    Would include some commentators who are so biased it is unbelievable - I give you Clive from ITV last Sunday on the Liverpool V Stoke game, you could tell he's a Man Utd fan
     
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  13. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    There are a few on here who need to take this in. I feel like im on a Hull FC board at times.
     
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