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Super Kevin Phillips

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Shameless, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. Chappaz

    Chappaz Active Member

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    Should have had more England caps imo.
     
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  2. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    You certainly talk more sense than your fellow Mag 'Hot Pockets' who seems to have overdosed on his dickhead pills of late..
     
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  3. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    The truth hurts RAW but he was never as good as the guys ahead of him. Your Andy Coles, Robbie Fowlers, Michael Owens, Alan Shearers were a different class of goalscoring strikers. And thank you for your large bite!
     
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  4. ...And Out Come the Wolve

    ...And Out Come the Wolve New Member

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    The advantage they had over Phillips is that they (between the lot of them) didn't have a golden boot to lug around.
     
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  5. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Certainly a good effort but nothing to write home about. Some great names have had it, but so have some not so great strikers! To be fair to Phillips at least his was in the PL. One swallow doesn't make a summer though. The others were just consistently better than him. All joking aside a good PL striker in his heyday, but never great.
     
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  6. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United Staff Member

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    A team from today and the SKP era would have been tasty, e.g. :

    Sorensen
    McBardo Gray
    Catts O'Shea Ball
    Johnson Sess Summerbee
    Quinn Phillips
     
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  7. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United Staff Member

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    Hey hey! That was me 2,000th post!
     
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  8. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    You beat me to it mate..That was a fantastic effort by our Super Kev..

    PS: Dear Hot Pockets, the strikers you mentioned were all fantastic, including Alan Shearer... It's a pity that you are so bitter and twisted against SAFC that you are unable to acknowledge that Super Kev is alo a great striker in his own right
     
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  9. Vincemac

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    spot on <bubbly>
     
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  10. Vincemac

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    spot on aswell reg <bubbly>
     
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  11. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely agree. Said as much myself over the years.

    Not just a goalscorer of absolute quality but one of the best all round footballers I've ever see wear our colours in my time and possibly the last 60 years as well.
     
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  12. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Remind of again how many stinking, dirty, filthy cock munching craas have won the European Golden Boot?

    SKP. Pure class.
     
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  13. the falcon

    the falcon Active Member

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    Something we cant say about you. Get back in your hole "**** packer":emoticon-0172-mooni
     
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  14. Bexinio

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    I know its easy to look through rose tinted glasses when looking back, but i agree fully with this, the guy was so much more than a goal scorer, his all round play was top 4 easy and i would have been sad to see him leave us but he could of played any where and Newcastle fan who doesnt think so isint being honest.
     
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    Does anybody have their goals to games ratio?

    I am convinced SKP must be up there with the rest of them.
     
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  16. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Just to be fair and show its not an anti Sunderland thing, the below gives you an idea.

    Phillips scored 92 top flight goals in 259 appearances. A goal every 2.8 games. By no means poor, but by no means great either. Only once did he pass 15 top flight goals in 9 top flight seasons.

    In 559 appearances top flight Shearer bagged 283 goals, moreorless a goal every 2 games. He passed 15 goals 10 times in 19 top flight seasons.

    Andy Cole scored 187 top flight goals in 428 games, a ratio of 1 every 2.2 games. He passed 15 goals 4 times in some 17 top flight seasons.

    Robbie Fowler 163 in 378 top flight games at a ratio of 2.2. He passed 15 goals 3 times in 18 top flight seasons. Though it is worth noting he only managed to make more than 30 appearances in a season 5 times!

    Michael Owen has scored 149 in 318 top flight games. Ratio of 2.1. He passed 15 goals an impressive 6 times in 15 seasons. Again it is notable he passed 30 appearances only 3 times.

    Whichever way you choose to dress stats up, the bottom line is Kevin Phillips was a good PL striker, not a great one. He did have one great season. In his defence against the above, and with all due respect to Sunderland, the strikers mentioned did play at clubs who have had a much more successful time in the top flight. This will undoubtedly lead to more chances as you play with a better quality of player. Even allowing for that though, you can't really compare him to those guys or say he should have had more England caps. Cole only got 15 england apps! Fowler only got 26 caps. Only an absolute loon would put Phillips ahead of those two in terms of quality.

    And don't forget you also had the likes of Sheringham and Les Ferdinand still going strong. Whereas I may joke about Phillips finding his level, he was top flight striker at his best. He just wasn't in the top bracket.
     
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  17. CyprusMackem

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    Bloody hell. Some blokes just love pissing on bonfires don't they.

    SKP = Golden boot wearing legend.
     
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  18. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    There is a good reason why statistics have been compared with lies...In Phillips case he played a lot of his games in his prime in the Championship, and I'm sure if you added his goals tally from there it would be much, much higher than the figures that Hot Pockets has come up with..
     
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  19. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I agree stats can be misleading, which is exactly why I took 4 different strikers over a very long period of time. Phillips spending some of his prime in the Championship tells you everything you need to know. If he was THAT good, the top flight clubs wouldn't have let that happen. I reckon you'd realise this if you took off the red and white specs.

    In all 4 cases they have more impressive goal records than Phillips. They scored more top flight goals at a better ratio. The debate ends there really.
     
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  20. dansafcman

    dansafcman Well-Known Member

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    what a load of ****e, just because no other top flight club picked up on him while he was in the championship doesnt mean he wasnt good enough to be a premiership striker during that time. As poachers go, he is up there with the best of the lot in terms of natural ability. You are just making yourself look stupid by denying it.
     
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