The gayest band ever

Tash.

99.999% of musicians are skint when they start out and all the money they generate (which is below what you'll earn on minimum wage with a full time job) goes back into the music.

It takes years of grind to just get a following if you're lucky and then you have to be lucky again to even get signed.

I spent 5 years working at it and trust me; it's the most frustrating, despairing and soul destroying task imaginable but the only thing that keeps you going is the chance that something may come of it.

If you make it as far as getting signed; the work load gets tougher because now you have 'investors' on your back pushing you harder.

Spend 5 weeks in a transit van travelling round Europe eating service station sandwiches, sleeping in a van and doing vast distances to reach every gig and return home making a financial loss with the only bonus is that you've played in Europe, got some radio and media coverage and this enhances the bands CV to prospective labels.

These bands are not exactly mainstream so do not have enough to get by in the majority of cases. They may release more popular music or their genre becomes more media listed but if you want to be a musician as a career then you have to take into account that the music you're creating has to at least have a customer base for a career to have sustainability.

Should they just split up and become accountants or die of starvation and become artistic martyrs?

 

Disagree, AA are an awesome band!

 

WOOOOOP!!!! *high 5*

 

Actually I think you will find that Carroll's £30k/week is actually quite alot in footballing terms. The premier league is one of the hightest paying leagues in the world (if not the highest) and alot of the players in that league would not be on as much as that. Take into account players in the lower leagues and foreign leagues pay less I think you will find Carroll was already a high earner in world footballing terms. Not in the ridiculous bracket of £100k+ but still a very good earner and generally commensurate with his ability and experience. He had also been promised another big pay rise only three months after receiving one.

As for bands "selling out", you are forgetting one important thing. Maybe the bands themselves prefer their new musical style and maybe they get more enjoyment from playing in sold out arenas rather than to small crowds in dingy pubs. Don't they have a say? Not everybody is obssessed with money you know.

 

Mate, i'm not talking about struggling musicians trying to make ends meat. Just forget about it.

If i was starving and needed food i'd do what ever it's takes to stay alive, but there's bands and people out there that have more than enough and still want more.

 

Most music is sampled - either directly or you can get around it by re-recording a piece as close to the original sample as possible (gets around the label, but not the publisher) or even changing it slightly (again that's how most music is created by listening to a melody or riff and then modifying it over and over until you have something else). It's a painful process when you go the route of direct sampling, especially if you don't get clearance beforehand - just ask the Verve!!
As someone who has released music in the past, I've been told I'd have to fork out £250-£2,500 (could be more depending on the artist, but I was going to go through a 3rd party sample clearance company so that was the general rates they could get - which is amazing prices compared to approaching someone individually) and 1-5% of any future royalties before I'd made a penny to use a sample before!

Some companies/artists demand thousands of pounds and even 100% of royalties just to use their samples or part of the melodies and most of it has to be footed by the artists, so if you don't do it and that artist/record label threatens to sue you or the label you're signed to then it means you're fully liable!

 

Wein when I was in Paris on Bastille day a few years ago there was a band called Tokio Hotel playing you ever heard of them

 

That's why i said 30k isn't that much, but i also said that being a toon legend is worth far more than an extra 50 ****ing grand a week isn't it!!

I'd play for the toon for 1 grand a week as i wouldn't want a big house and cars, and tonnes of money. All that money wouldn't be worth a thing compared to walking out to 50,000 geordies at SJP cheering your name, expressing their love for you, and being branded a toon legend for the rest of your life. Carroll obviously didn't value the fact that he could have been loved probably even more so than Shearer at the Toon for the rest of his life, but he probably got persuaded by his agent that "footballers have to look after their own interests and their financial well being" and the typical bullshit, and it gave him an excuse for jumping at the chance of more money.

 

She was told on BBC radio1 and she hadnt heard of the song before so the management must have sorted it out

 

We had a song banned by Radio 1 and also legal threats from Epic records, Faith No More, Pepsi Co and Coca Cola Corp...

If only we'd asked permission to sample

 

lol

 

It was a free concert Nelly Furtado, DJ Sammy and this Band where the Lead singer looked like a lass which turned out to be Tokio Hotel

 

Very popular band in continental Europe. I thought the singer was a lass for about 2 years

 

Lasses were screaming I thought there cant be this many Lesbians in Paris

 

Tash £30k/week is alot of money. You honestly think that every professional footballer is on that much? Using Carroll as an example to hold against struggling musicians who are living hand to mouth is ridiculous. As for £1k/week that is far far more than any struggling musician is on. You have alot to learn about the ecomomics of life mate!

 

Since I know everything about music, I shall settle this.

Asking Alexandria = **** + metalcore = **** + pointless shouty death metal = **** + Wein > Barton's Tash = Asking Alexandria are mint

 

Well. When the French ladies abhor shaving unsightly armpit hair you never know. There really could be that many

 

ToonSi was trying to find that song and came across Crazy Trance you heard of it

 

You sound like you might have been in The Family Cat with that many bannings and lawsuits!

 

I'm not comparing Carroll to struggling musicians, im comparing him to the bands that sellout!! The bands that already have enough and want more.

I've got alot to learn about economics? You've got alot to learn about ****ing english because you don't seem to be able to read.

The point i was trying to make is that there are things that are more important that money when it comes to things like music and playing for your home club ect.