The gayest band ever

Also, i don't like A7X since they sold out, but the guitarists are technically gifted. But the reason i hate them is because they changed to mainstream to be more popular. I know how they dress means nothing, but seeing as they dress in a way that is deemed acceptable by modern society today, i'm guessing they did it to be more agreeable to the general public and therefore get more popular.

 

You are utterly incapable of seeing both sides of any argument.

By your argument C/DC are very, VERY untalented. I love them, but so many of their songs have insanely similar riffs. And then Airbourne, a band you like, have extremely similar riffs to AC/DC, does this make them unoriginal and untalented? I would love to hear something you have written. Regardless of what you say, their songs are multi layered and that takes talent to write.

It's a metalcore band (not emo, dont ****ing mix the 2!!!) and therefore will sound similar to other metalcore bands. Otherwise it wouldn't be classed in the same genre!

They aren't fabricated either. The guitarist put the band together, not a record company.

@Cal and Donkey Toon, i do see where you are coming from. I think i was over exaggerating to try to make a point. Obviously you can have talent and not get recognised by the majority (as many of my fav bands are), but i was just saying if you manage to do something that people like, and that does sell well, you must have some talent. I'm excluding stuff like Jackass here, they are not talented, apart from being able to write funny sketches. Jeff Tremain is the most talented of the Jackass Crew.

 

Actually, there are alot of creative bands out there today, but most of them don't get noticed because nowadays, most music isn't shown because it's creative or original, it's shown because it's not offensive or complicated.

You just have to look for them.

 

Music thread's should be banned!

I kind of agree with you here. I don't think of them as the same band, up to City of Evil is one band, then the self titled is another, and with Nightmare they have gone back towards City of Evil. But i do think it's wrong to say they 'sold out', i have used that term, and i hate it. What's to say they didn't just want to try something different? They will like a lot of music also, so for one album they might have drawn for different influences.

Synister Gates is a legend though

R.I.P The Rev

 

Actually i agree about ACDC and Black Ice the first album i've liked from them for about 20 years. And ok, if you are going to take it this way, everything anyone could possibly do takes atleast a slight amount of talent. Therefore i'll alter my view of most Metalcore bands. Their music takes a small percentage of talent compared alot of bands with creative music.

 

As long as one person rates you(not family), you have talent of some description. Might not always be everyones cup of tea but it takes being good at something to get anywhere.

 

Christ alive. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't creative! Just because it doesn't have massively complex riffs doesn't make it uncreative. It is creative because they wanted to make a song that sounded like that, not one that sounds like a modern prog-rock band! (You must love them, the definition of getting the most out of instruments). Just take your head out of your arse and see that your opinion isn't the law.

They like that music, the people that listen to it like that music. Don't like it, don't listen.

 

Also sold out is a **** term, what's the point of playing the same if it's not getting you recognised, everybody would 'sell out' if they have any sense of reality. It means more people hear your music, more people like you, you make more money and have a better life. It's not selling out, it's being successful.

 

Iron Maiden, Metallica, Rammstein, Slayer, dont listen to most music radio stations

 

Because mate it would be about as obvious as Cannibal Corpse playing Hannah Montana and saying "we just wanted to take a new direction", but they're really selling out.

Even though i love Metallica and Megadeth, i can admit they sold out, but atleast they are making a recovery, and i respect them for the music they made in the past, and the people they are.

I also don't like Kirk Hammett and Lars Ulrich, i only like James Hetfield and Rob Trujillo. Lets hope their new album coming out is even better than DM.

 

I realise i can go to over the top with this, but what really annoys me is that there's 1000's of really talented bands that make excellent music that hardly get noticed. However, the cameras and the spotlights seem to be fixed on the bands and the artists that have the least amount of talent.

"Millions of people like them so they music be good". No, they like them because most of them haven't give other types of music a chance.
They just listen to one song and say "ew that just loud noise".

I wish there was a music channel for every type of music, so that people growing up would be exposed to every type of music, not just whats deemed socially acceptable.
This would mean people growing up would have a proper decision, not just what is put infront of them, and kept in ignorance of all the other music out there.

 

Now there is a band i think are ****!

Again, i dont think they sold out. I dont agree with what Ben Arfa's Left Foot said like, you shouldn't change what you do to become more successful, that is selling out, you should play music you enjoy. Prime example, Machine Head's 'Nu-Metal' album. It was the thing at the time, they thought they could get an easy buck and it was ****. They have since gone back to what they did best.

Selling out is a dirty term that is very rarely used correctly. I dont think Tallica and Megadeath ever sold out, just changed direction/ If they start playing stuff like their older music, maybe they just like playing that sort of thing aswell so they want to do it again.

Sorry to say this, but you take me as the type of music 'fan' i have talked to many times at Download and stuff. You love an obscure band for little or no more reason than they are obscure. If they get recognised, through changing their music or not, you will stop liking them. I have heard people slate a band for selling out when they have just become more popular and barely changed their music.

I cant think of anyone who complained when Avenged went from Sounding the Seventh Trumpet to Waking the Fallen! Very different music, got them a lot more fans. But because they were still relatively unknown people didn't care. Tons of people started hating them for City of Evil because they got some attention. Even though the music was very similar, just less heavy and Mike doesn't scream as much.

Grinds my gears.

 

That song ****ing blows.

But sorry Tash, I don't see how the songs you like are any different to that tripe up there. It's all just loud noise with virtually zero creativity. Same drum beats, same guitar tones, meaningless bass lines. It's just all mundane without a drop of thought, emotion or creativity. They don't even attempt to make any effort to layer the music or create even a hint of interesting complexity.

Boring, boring, boring.

 

Unfortunately Tash there is a catch 22 when it comes to selling out. If a band is making original but poor selling music (their core sound) they can only go on so long being overlooked. Poor sales = getting dropped by record labels and struggling to make a living. Eventually they either sell out to get the money the record company (and the band ) needs or they split up. Very few bands with a unique or radio unfriendly sound will ever become commercially successful and the music industry is first and foremost a money making business.

I have seen more bands that I loved split up than I can count because they failed to get the necessary recognition. But get used to it, the situation is only going to get worse. Enjoy them while they last.

 

Actually no i don't hate a band for becoming popular, i hate it when bands change their music to be popular.

Which is what Metallica did, but i still respect them for the amazing music they once made, and the decent music they are starting to make now.

Look at the difference between Slipknots first two albums. First once was a mix between DJ, rap metal. mixed with those ****ing masks, i'd say that was a sellout band trying to look cool.

But their second album was amazing, like nothing i've ever heard before. Extrmely dark and chilling.

 

What if they change their music because they would like to try something different and it just so happens that that makes them more popular? If you can tell me the difference then you are a living god, able to read people's thought's thousands of miles away whilst discussing a new album deal.

Linkin Park haven't made 2 albums the same. I hate them now because i think the music is gash, but i don't think they 'sold out'.

EDIT: My Machine Head example is an obvious one. Nu-Metal was the thing of the time and MH had never done anything like that. They reverted when they realised they were **** at it.

 

Well that's just stupid. An unpopular band has a few loyal fans. They change because they want to be successful and want to play for big crowds and make money. They shouldn't be hated for wanting to be acknowledged.

 

Tash as someone who does a Music & Music Tech course at Uni, I know more than anyone on this forum that unless you're listening to the first man-made music when we were all still cavemen that nothing, I REPEAT, NOTHING is original in music.
It all comes from somewhere and inspired by something or someone else - it can seem to be a massive jump, for example, Johnny Cash inspired early hip hop artists (with lyrics like I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die), but with the help of little movements over time it evolves into new music - it all still comes from somewhere else. The blues for example inspired a ****load of rock n roll, which inspired the likes of Led Zep amongst other bands, who in turn paved the way for the like of heavier rock artists which in turn led to heavy metal etc.
Disco, soul & funk music inspired house music, which in turn led to a lot of the electronica and electronic genres we see today.


Wein - As for selling out not working, I give two examples from the world of electronic music: Eric Prydz and Calvin Harris. You've all heard of them and heard of their commercial **** that has ben blared out to death by the masses and was in the charts for months.
Calvin was a techno DJ for years without recognition and now he's made a killing and made a name for himself has gotten rid of the cheesy pop dance music band and gone back to his roots; he probably would have had to get a real job had he not went the commercial route.
Eric Prydz uses his commercial music to fund his record label and releases under the name Pryda & other names on his Mouseville label - again wouldn't be possible had he not "sold out".

 

No, it should be ****ing despised. You don't make music to have more fans and more money.

That's basically as bad as a fan of a small football club going to support man united because "their" team will win more cups and has a bigger fan base so they can brag about how great "their" club is.

 

That like saying murdering to stop murdering justifies murdering...