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Suicide and religion

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by thefanwithnoname, Mar 17, 2012.

  1. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Not sure if the whole wearing white is religious TBH

    and again I disagree, to evolve means to change into something else/different. To change the main points of any religion means that religion no longer exists
    In which case gay marriage shouldnt be an issue either
     
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  2. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    That doesnt imply I am god does it? the phew was due to finally disagreeing with you, restoring the status quo if you will <ok>

    and I disagree because picking and choosing which bits God has forbidden to follow and which not to isnt evolution
    thats hypocricy if anything
     
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  3. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    Evolution in species AND religions allows them to adapt to changes. If the world changes and religion doesn't evolve, it dies.
     
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  4. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Not the same thing

    In this case religions death is based on it changing. EG take Jesus and Muhammad out of the scriptures and its not evolution its destruction of the respective religions

    also what we are talking about isnt a birds beak increasing in size to adapt to the environment, we are talking of a bird becoming a tiger
     
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  5. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    No, we aren't. It seems to me you have picked the topics of suicide and homosexuality because they are subjects you feel strongly about, especially homosexuality. Many religions now accept homosexuality as a natural act (which it is) and have adapted to take this into account.

    In 100 years, gay couples getting married in a church will be just as acceptable as two non-virgin, heterosexuals getting married in a church is now.
     
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  6. PleaseNotPoll

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    As suicide is often as a result of mental illness, I think it's safe to say that there's some ambiguity as to how they'd be judged by any god, isn't there?
    It's also hard to determine the cause of some suicides, so it's probably best to afford the person a religious ceremony, if that's what they would have wanted.
    If they did commit a sin by killing themselves, then they'll be judged in the afterlife, assuming that you're right and there is one.
     
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  7. Treat Williams

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    Seeing as everyone lives in sin anyway, suicide wouldn't be much of a problem as long as you submitted yourself to the belief that Jesus Christ died for our sins and is our saviour. As a rather popular book on the subject exclaims:

    If this is what it takes to pass into heaven then it would be mightily bold to shun God's judgement and deny the suicide victim a Christian funeral if requested.
     
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  8. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator
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    So you say. But it's impossible to prove.

    Suicide, in my opinion, is just the end result of a terminal case of mental illness. I don't think it should be treated as harshly as it is.
     
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  9. SaintsForTheWin

    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    It should be treated with a pinch of salt.
     
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  10. Jip Jaap Stam

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    So sprinkling salt on Speedo would have brought him back to life? :huh:
     
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  12. SaintsForTheWin

    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    No, mental illness <ok>
     
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  13. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator
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    Tell that to the families of the 16 Afghans murdered by that nutcase.
     
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  14. Glesgabhoy67

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    That's probably the one clearcut situation where a western man should be tried under sharia law.

    I don't agree with their measures but it was a crime committed in their country ... if some American soldier went on a rampage in Surrey and took out 16 people noone would agree with him being shifted off to the US for a lesser sentence, he will probably get lifetime imprisonment but it should be the death penalty!
     
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  15. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Sorry but you are wrong on all counts here.

    I dont feel strongly about the two topics, what I feel strongly about is the whole deciding which is worse and who decides it
    Its the same with say women priests, for me the church should NOT have adorned them if the scriotures say no. Sod what is deemed 'modern'. If you are changing it then stop pretending to be religious and do what many others do, atheism/agnostic.

    Any of the major religions who now 'accept' homosexuality as a 'natural act' are no longer adhering to their faith
     
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  16. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Sorry disagree. Religions as a general rule have always provided a solution for the situation you describe.

    In a nutshell we decide on what we see not ifs buts and maybes. If a person is innocent then they will be forgiven in the afterlife. In this life we have a code of conduct/rules etc
     
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  17. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    Not really if you read the history and process

    As for it being a mental illness, the same can be argued for murder.
    Including the guy who killed the 16 afghani's.
     
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  18. Jip Jaap Stam

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    You've told me the Qu'ran process, and it's hardly watertight in my opinion. Obviously you're going to believe it; you'd be a bad Muslim if you didn't and hence wouldn't go to heaven (which seems to me the only reason most people follow a religion).

    As for mental illness/murder, you have heard of dismissed responsibility haven't you? And secure units for the criminally insane?
     
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  19. thefanwithnoname

    thefanwithnoname Well-Known Member

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    I would be a bad muslim for accepting it without looking into it. Its actually a sin to follow blindly
    Its as watertight as it gets in terms of going to the original source.

    I have heard of those things, but there is a school of thought that any murder is a state of mind that is 'abnormal'.

    and do you mean diminished responsibility?
     
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  20. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    No, I'm not wrong on any counts and it takes someone of an incredibly arrogant nature to come to such a conclusion.

    You are homophobic - anyone who has read this site knows that for a fact. I'm sure you would not even bother to dispute this.
    Many religions accept gay people - that is a fact.

    So do not tell me I'm wrong on all counts when they are indisputable facts.
     
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