Sorry but if you think our Championship side would have finished 8th, you're on another planet. We'd have less points than we do now.
Really I will state this for the record That is exactly how i feel ... Our Championship side complete without the circumstances we endured would have got more points than we have now... No doubt in my mind at all. If anyone bases the home game defeat against Bolton then you are miles off. ... Our team went to Everton and got a result cancels that one. I will state again that we would have grown as have the other two and be 10 points better off than now and in the mix for the magic 8th spot.
We will never know what would have happened without the Faurlin affair , the Goons , the takeover etc I think I would have won a few quid backing HH for a few goals most wanted him sold Our team prior to the points deduction possibility coming to a head were outstanding and a match then for any of the teams outside the top six last season ... I base my view on the team spirit we had as Bob on here knows is priceless. I was devastated with the panic buys we made and from day one and have had to watch BUT support our team knowing things were likely to get worse not better when a team spirit is broken as it was. I don't care about the blame it's as pointless as my opinion but I have never changed because that is what I believe. As it turned out NW had to go and things fell apart it was the only way We now have a team and squad full of premiership names who have got to start playing ... In fact as of yet no one knows what this full side is really capable of is the way I see it But to predict and rant that we need new players every five minutes and then on top of that some again predict we would finish 18th 19th is to me firmly on the planet of the cucumbers. When we stay up my friends which ever way you look at it ... We have brought our safety .... Not the way I would of liked of course. If we were to go down we will I suppose see if this current team can play in the championship which may prove a few of my points in reverse so to speak I ask again to every fan on here with 10 games to go who is going to come 8th then? ... Is it that predictable ? We can only look forward so although it's my view re our old team I am sure that teams in the championship now hoping to be promoted soon look at us at the laughing stock that we are and know exactly NOT how to do it If we go down then we will not return as quickly as some may think... It's about what direction teams spirits are traveling in today's modern game
Fair enough Odders. I admit that my prediction of 19th was before a ball was kicked and when Tony came in and signed SWP etc, I said we'd get around 15th or 16th. How wrong I was. We're relegated now for certain.
OK DT now i'm wound up as i just typed a massive reply to your post and my 'puter shut down !! so he're an edited version from memory... I have to agree with some of your last post but not all...the reason you have 25 players in our squad and not 11 is to compensate for red cards, injuries, sending off etc that EVERY TEAM goes through....We had 11 ish good players but our SQUAD was no where near good enough...so yes we needed to get new players in. i dont necc agree with who was brought in but thats another discussion for another day.. .so IMHO i think we would have been bottom at this time after being hammered every week.team spirit would have been zero after being constantly hammered and NW may have gone earlier... Cant say much about the 8th pos thing as i wasnt here , but sounds like a very "speculative" idea. Personally id be happy with 17th this year and next. Our main aim was to consolidate and then invest and just stay in the league. In 2 yrs time we could have started moving up the league with younger, more eager players and given ourselves some credibility. we may have also be able to attract a higher class of player. If we do stay up, yes, we will have brought our way out of trouble, but thats what we did in the Championship..and no-one complained about that..?! Fact is, the days of jumpers for goal posts has long gone and like it or not..its a money bussiness now. we can either compete or go back to being also-rans. Personally I'd be happy to receive a lump sum of money and move to mid table. I'd sell out because...after the last 15 years..i dont believe thier is a team in the land that has gone through what we have?..Its our turn for some luck and good fortune is it not. It may have come in the form of TFand Amit...we'll see. Again..personally..I dont care what we have to do as long as i can see OUR club moving forwards with some sort of plan. If we do go down, we will never know if this team can play...they will all be gone before the start of the season, and that will be ok if we have a manager astute enough to get us up..personally, i reckon the hammers will sack big sam pre season and bring in a big name. i guess DT, its all down to diffrent desires and perspectives....I treasure our old days but certainly dont want to go back to them. we need a new ground, better players, youth set up etc...IMO....Others would be happy if we stayed as we are, a little fans club with a family feel. thats thier perogative. It must be noted though.a lot of those whop want to go back to those days in the 80's / 90's also remember as us a big club doing well in the tiop division and playing the top teams...Cant have both.... Keep the faith mate as we may yet nick 17th..going to get a few shock results i think and i dont think we'll be relegated until the final day...Now lets set Mh up with a very large brown paper bag full of cash and see what he can do with us.....or call in rednapp Never say die !
If we had our championship side we'd be relying on the 34 year old Heidur for goals, with the frightening prospect of a front two of Hulse and Ageymang should he get injured. A back four of Orr Connolly Hall/Gorkks Hill would get murdered in this division. Expecting Derry to play 38 games in this division would be ridiculous. Our Championship team really wasn't as good as you make out, we got a lot of luck on the way to winning that title, as sweet as it was. I really can't see how you think we'd be in 8th position with that team/squad. Swansea play the type of football that wins games in the Prem, we don't/didn't. Warnocks style is perfect for the Championship, Brendan Rodgers' is perfect for the Prem. The team we came up with are incapable of playing that style of football, bar Taarabt and Faurlin.
Oddball, just give it up mate. You're being murdered on this thread just like our Ch'ship side would have been this season!
Sorry have to disagree. Swansea were favorites to go down and most said they wouldn't be able to do it ... We played last year at times some of the best football ever at QPR. My point is confidence breeds confidence and the thing snowballs ... Our defence would have grown IMO 8th? I ask again who would you pick to finish there? could be any team in the middle. I agree that we needed a few faces but our midfield didn't ever need Barton ... SWP was instead of WR and our defense was dismantled. A settled confident side is a very powerful thing IMO and to spend 25M on a team to come 19th is a waste of time and effort. Rob Hulse ... Fernado Torres ... today what's the difference my friend?
We had flashes of brilliance last year, but only really through Taarabt/Faurlin imo. Confidence and team spirit is important, but you're over playing it a bit. It only gets you so far. In the Prem, skill, technique, pace and vision become far more crucial. For me, we had very little of that in last seasons squad, bar two or three players. As for who will finish 8th, who knows? It certainly won't be us and I'm extrememly confident it wouldn't have been us with our Championship squad either. Swansea may have been favourites to go down but it was quite clear to me from watching them towards the latter of last season that if they got promoted they'd do just fine. Seemed obvious from the type of possession football they play. They were a much better footballing side than us last season imo and again, that's what you need in this division (bar Stoke, I guess). As bad as Torres is at the moment, a comparison to Rob Hulse in any way, shape or form is daft!
DT ..cant dis agree with last argument, but 8th wont be that hard to guess...... Would you like to put 10 quid on rangers and i'll pick another side?....nearest to the ball?; loser pays 20 quid to a charity of thier choice? Fact is...our SQUAD aint good enough regardless of who we hve brought in.....The football we played last year was average at best, with some moments of brilliance...Adel being out played by a has been like savaage summed up how good we were as a team... We bought our way out the league..and for what ever reason (mainly tango and cash)we ahve flopped. Sad thing is...That win against Chelscum rerally deluded a lot of people...even though they totally out played us with 9 men.. PS..the tenner bet was not an empty bet..I'l do it if you think we can!!.
Wow, what a spectacularly jumbled thread. I remember lots of posts last year about us not having more than 3-4 players capable of making the step up to the Prem. I don't remember a lot saying stick with these guys - improvements are for chumps. Unfortunately, we have had three desperate attempts at "improving" the squad. First the freebies when the purse strings were tighter than a shrew's blow hole - these were mainly injury prone 30 year olds. Secondly, a panic spree when TF came in that had no control and basically trampled over everyone at the club before (npc team - you're not good enough and we can't wait to replace you, freebies - we thought we couldn't get better but we can). Thirdly, a shortened January window with the aim of "get what you need to keep us up". There's been no stability whatsoever and so I'd argue that ANY set of players would have done better given a fair run than any could as we've actually played it. The constant groping about the squad not being good enough doesn't stick I'm afraid - we have good players (even Barton was good just last year) and a team that probably a third of Prem managers would happily take. They're just not playing. It's the continued unrest that's been killing us and we have the semblance of the QPR circus once again. As an aside, does anyone think that things might have been different had Amit been made chairman in August?
agree 100% and sorry lads but we played some great stuff last year and I believe still to this day that it was the worry and doubt from the off th epitch stuff that effected very fan's viewpoint as for Savage having Adel in his pocket ... I am there and it was Adel on a off evening to be honest and Savage should have got a red card ... Funny how things are just remembered for the media hype. I can deal with these facts however we did win the championship last year with a great QPR side
As bad as Torres is at the moment, a comparison to Rob Hulse in any way, shape or form is daft! ... is it? Both have been ridiculed and have suffered from a lack of confidence. Both are very good players in fact yet no one on here would have either of them today? My point is money doesn't work and just putting in a player that seem good ( and both did once upon a time ) doesn't always work. Confidence relates directly to form with the player and of course then the team.... In fact its massive as believe it or not a player that rises to say Torres great performances needs a good team behind him for him to become great and become a 50m player ... Spain and Liverpool
A non confident Torres will still bring far more to the team than a confident Hulse. So yes, it is a bit of a silly comparison. It reinforces my point, comparing Hulse or Agyemang (who we would have no doubt had to play numerous times this season if we had stuck with your Championship squad) to a striker that can't score at the moment in Torres. They are the strikers we would have had if we made no signings. Perish the thought of those two scoring enough goals to propel us to the brink of a place in Europe!
It's very easy to pick our old team apart name by name very easy Adaption to this league is always the key. I agree the skill factor on show is of a higher standard at the top of the league but you will never convince me of that with any team below 8 th position. The physical demands are also less and the games are slower and less frantic ... Again adaption is the key for every team and player We could exchange many players we both think should or should not be playing in this league IMO its a team game but with individual stars who claim all the focus. Wigan who are bottom have some outstanding players get as a team struggle ... They have players that could play for Manchester United now and of course they have one ex lactic now who is now considered work class Clint Hill IMO has pushed his value through the roof recently Orr is looking very solid at Blackburn Gorkss and Connolly reunited at Reading who IMO will win the championship on a late run I have said already that if we go down then Kenny may be the only championship player left as Hill will be snapped up. Hogan Buz Taarabt Smith Derry Mackie Faurlin ... If you can't make a premiership midfield out of that then there's no hope HH remains the best forward header of a ball in the premiership Hulse again is no mug to this league And Dave is a very good painter Come to think of they are all rubbish
What are you talking about you blubbering eejit? We were the most direct team that won promotion. In fact, we were one of the most direct teams in the Division. Can't you remember the amount of games we ground out wins playing puke football? It was brilliant as far as it was effective. But "great stuff" it certainly was not.
