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First Tier Tax Tribunal

Discussion in 'Celtic' started by DevAdvocate, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. RebelBhoy

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    which is why I have been consistent in saying that should you lose the tribunal then for this, you will have cheated. That is aside from the cheating that is evident this season.

    You seem to think my opinion is formed in an unfair manner? My mind does not work like that. I have been fair and that is the conclusion I have reached. Your clumsy attempts to distance rangers from cheating show me you have no interest in fairness.

    Nobody ever daid EBT's were a secret. Are you taking the piss? Do you genuinely not get this?
     
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  2. RebelBhoy

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    yes. Laughable
     
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  3. Thomas The Cat

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    It is wrong that some people think they can avoid paying tax.

    The avarage man pays what his due. Facilitating people that get far beyond what the normal fan is paid and who in effect pay there wages to cheat their way out of paying tax is ****ing disgusting.

    Rangers may not be criminal but they are ****ing disgusting!!! I hope they die!!!
     
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  4. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Harsh but fair <ok>
     
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  5. Go G YellowScreen

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    They are morally as well as financially bankrupt <ok>
     
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  6. Magic Laudrup 11

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    It's called fishing
     
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  7. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Sigh.

    Losing a tax dispute does not mean cheating. It happens all the time. For example, it happened to many under IR35 who had done nothing wrong and were perfectly within tax legislation.

    Losing a tax dispute because you can be shown to have broken/flouted tax legislation is cheating. It's also fraud.

    I really can't make it any simpler than that for you.

    Do you genuinely not get this?

    If it cheers you up any, it may well turn out to be that Ranger's implementation of EBT's did flout or otherwise break tax legislation. We won't know until the result of the tribunal.
     
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  8. DevAdvocate

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    You need a bigger worm <ok>
     
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  9. Magic Laudrup 11

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    Wish that was the first time I've been told that
     
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  10. DevAdvocate

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    HMRC have said EBTs are perfectly legal, it's the way Rangers used them that was wrong.
     
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  11. DevAdvocate

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    Me too.
     
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  12. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Which is clearly the points of legislation they're agruing over at tribunal. If Rangers can be shown to have flouted the legislation then they have cheated. Nobody is going to argue against that. I haven't.

    I argued against this blanket assumption of the desperate and the rabid and the outright dumb that losing the tribunal automatically means they cheated. That kind of nonsense propogates like wildfire through the ranks of the idiots.

    As I've pointed out, you can lose a dispute with HMRC despite doing nothing wrong. I can go into detail of IR35 as an example if anybody wants.
     
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  13. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    You need a bigger worm.
     
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  14. Mind The Duck

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    My understanding is this (dumbed down for Trev)

    Advisor - Here is an EBT you can use for your employees

    Rangers - Yalday, can we avoid paying tax on our staff wages using this?

    Advisor - No, that's illegal

    Rangers - La la la we can't hear you
     
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  15. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    <laugh>.
     
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  16. VenomPD

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    Guys, Guys.......







    Are Rangers Dead Yet?!?
     
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  17. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Still twitching the last time sumby prodded us.
     
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  18. VenomPD

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    <laugh>'
     
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    Why do you even bother with that **** hes impossible.
     
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  20. RebelBhoy

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    Sigh.

    I understand what you have posted Gambol, it is just complete and utter balls.

    Should Rangers lose the Tribunal, it will confirm that they have not adhered to the rules regarding using EBT's. I am going to take it that you concede this point, given that it is very clearly self evident.

    The case surrounds whether Rangers adhered to the rules. If they have not, they have cheated. Very, very simple.

    Should Rangers win the case, I have repeatedly said that bothers me not one single iota. That means they have legitimately applied the scheme and have not cheated the tax man.

    Win or lose the case, there is still the question as to whether they cheated the football authorities, but that is perhaps an argument too far for you today.
     
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