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Steve Bruce on MOTD tonight

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    Deleted # Well-Known Member

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    After we have just beat Liverpool as well, I feel awkward for him.
     
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  2. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    What's the betting he mentions the geordie link, as if that was the only reason he was sacked. Bet he also fails to mention the absolutely shocking performances, results and home form that was the real reason.
     
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    Don't know if he has ever mentioned this before but he did get us to 10th.
     
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    Well apparently he needed time, funny that MON didn't and correct about the geordie connection he has also brought that up.
     
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    With the money he spent, I expected more, especially in the derbys. he just didnt deliver.
     
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  6. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    The more I hear him, the more he gets on my ****ing tits.

    He hasn't even got the decency to concede that the time he said he needed wasn't and isn't needed by the man who replaced him. Yes he assembled a good squad of players but he also had lost them all by the time he was bladdered and would never, ever have achieved what Mon has achieved in the same time.

    He hasn't ever conceded just once, that his 11 month shambles, with 2 home wins up until his sacking, might have been the reason he had to go but loves to bring up the geordie chants, as if that exonerates him from blame.

    No wonder wolves told him to **** off as well. His excuses are pathetic as is his selective memory.
     
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  7. Cheik the room

    Cheik the room Well-Known Member

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    Your fans told him "get out of our club, you fat geordie bastard"...how can you complain at him feeling that was a major reason for his sacking?
     
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  8. Billy Death

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    As far as I'm concerned we have something to thank him for. He lost his way & we were heading down.

    We've moved on, it's time Steve did the same.
     
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  9. Deleted #

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    I have always agreed that the time was right for him to go when he did, however, I have always held him in high (ish) regards for bringing quality players to the club and stabilising us as a steady premiership club.

    Cest, I totally understand where you are coming from now though because it is really annoying hearing him moan on about not having time for HIS squad to gel, for f***s sake he had 3 years but every season that came round we basically started with a new team.
     
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  10. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    Up until the defeat at home to bottom club wigan, the fans had stuck with him. After this, they quite rightly turned.

    Forced to endure 11 months of utter ****e and a home record that was as bad as any manager in the last 50 years, the fans didn't get Bruce the sack, If managed to do that all by himself.

    Mon has shown from the second he walked into the club what a good manager could get from the same set of players Bruce wasted.

    If the fat twat admitted this just once, instead of even more ridiculous excuses then maybe I'd have more sympathy for him, rather than the contempt I feel today.
     
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    Because we had just been beaten at home to Wigan who at the time were even worse then they are now, maybe, just maybe, he should be looking at results as to why a minority of supporters were chanting that to him.
     
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  12. The_Black_Cats

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    That was quite pathetic and very embarrassing on behalf of Steve Bruce. A rather unsavoury reminder for all of the reasons why I along with 95% of the fans of SAFC were overjoyed to see the back of him.

    SAFC built a statue in honour of a 'geordie' which is located outside of the SOL... For Bruce to perpetually harp on about being sacked due to being a 'geordie' is in actual fact a direct insult towards our fans. It sometimes appears to myself asthough Bruce is deliberately insulting our fans by repeating his 'I'm a geordie' mantra. For goodness sake there is a statue of a 'geordie' outside of our stadium...

    Bruce was quoted in some rag/website saying his 'reputation' was tarnished by his treatment at Sunderland... What reputation is that? This 'reputation' whatever it is in the perception of Steve Bruce is certainly not founded upon any positive achievement, that is for sure. He went on to say that the Wolves fans didn't want him due to being sacked from Sunderland citing his 'unfair treatment', once again. I recall one Wolves fan on a different forum who said he didn't want "I don't believe in tactics Steve Bruce". Now those are the words of Steve Bruce and that was the reason that particular fan of Wolves didn't want him to be appointed, nothing to do with the fans of Sunderland.

    Excuses excuses from Steve Bruce and he is now coming out with the same excuses on MOTD. I doubt any chairman other than a yoyo premier league club would offer Bruce a job. If he needs a job in football so badly then he ought to take a job in the championship or league 1 and prove himself. I really do hope he gets another job in the very near future if only to prevent myself from having to listen to the same old tune being spun time and time again, however I feel sorry for the fans of the club wherever he is appointed because they will find him out for the poor manager he is within two years of his appointment, just like we did. Lets hope for that clubs sake he isn't on a 5 year contract.
     
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  13. concrete tony

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    He is bang out of order! I had more respect for Lee Clark who was on Goals on Sunday. At least he said he'd enjoyed his time here and that him wearing that t-shirt was the only black mark on his career and he regrets it as it was totally unprofessional. He regrets it as he know he can never come back.

    Bit of honesty rather than Bruce A DELUDED IDIOT!
     
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  14. Willa Pond

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    So if Ashley goes it will because you lot called him a cockney? :grin:

    Just an easy excuse to cover up his declining abilities to manage the team... I was dissapointed in him last night, I thought he lost a lot of dignity.
     
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  15. talcnturnip

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    Time to move on lads, lasses and chiek he has one opinion we who witnessed the last year of his tenure have another and, we'll never agree on much of it.
     
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  16. Commachio

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    Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger once said that judging the work of a coach relative to his peers was almost too tricky. "You would need to eliminate all the differences, give everyone the same players for a whole season and then see who does better," he said. "Of course, this is impossible."



    That makes sense. Different teams have different transfer budgets, pay different wages and end up with different personnel. Front-office staff, fan expectations, the stadium, media environment and the length of a manager's tenure also impact performance.

    And yet sometimes the conditions to evaluate a manager are ideal, since most of the variables have been removed. Such is the case at Sunderland, in the Premier League, where Martin O'Neill has been achieving outstanding results since taking over as manager in December.

    O'Neill's predecessor, Steve Bruce, was let go on Nov. 30. In 13 league matches with him at the helm, Sunderland had accumulated 11 points, winning twice, drawing five and losing six matches. The club had finished 10th the year before but had melted down toward the end of the season, losing 10 of its final 14 games.

    Since taking over, O'Neill has amassed 26 points in 14 league games and has advanced through three rounds of the FA Cup. Along the way, he has defeated such Premier League blue bloods as Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool on Saturday. Had he been there at the start of the season—and had the club continued at that clip—Sunderland would be on its way to a place in next season's Champions League, a tremendous achievement for a mid-sized club from an impoverished part of England that had lost money in each of the past four seasons.

    But here's the wrinkle. Apart from the odd injury, O'Neill and Bruce have worked with roughly the same set of players. O'Neill did make two loan signings in January, but the two acquisitions have played a total of 137 minutes. Clearly, they're not the reason for the club's resurgence.

    So what's different? The English media chalks it up to O'Neill's "passion" and "enthusiasm," and it's possible that after two and a half years at the club, Bruce had grown somewhat stale. While it's undeniably true that O'Neill is animated on the sidelines and seems as emotionally invested as any manager in the sport—not a coincidence, as he grew up a Sunderland fan in Belfast—those kinds of metaphysical explanations are tough to swallow.

    Every manager has his own personality. But if the secret to success were mere enthusiasm, cheerleaders would make great coaches.

    Plus, for all his histrionics during games, O'Neill actually comes across as a fairly bookish and measured guy. He tends to speaks in complete sentences. While most managers in England like to unwind with pedestrian pursuits like golf, O'Neill has long devoted a chunk of his spare time to studying crimes and criminals. Even as a player, O'Neill, a former law student, was obsessed with the criminal mind, said Chris Nicholl, his former roommate with Northern Ireland at the 1982 World Cup, in a recent newspaper interview.

    "He used to bring in these folders from Nottingham Police," said Nicholl, who added that O'Neill would sit in on trials and visit crime scenes. "He was fascinated by criminals."

    Whodunit fetish notwithstanding, the Wenger Principle holds that O'Neill is doing a better job than Bruce because he's better at the nuts and bolts of the job: working with his players in training to make them perform better during games.

    But what's curious is that his approach at Sunderland represents a departure from his modus operandi. In his previous job at Aston Villa, O'Neill had a net spend of more than $130 million in his first four seasons, among the highest in the Premier League, and tripled the club's wage bill. That spending did yield three consecutive sixth-place finishes, but when owner Randy Lerner looked to curb the expenditure in the summer of 2010, O'Neill resigned a few days before the start of the season.

    This raised an obvious question. O'Neill could achieve results when bankrolled by a club willing to spend. But could he do it on a shoestring budget? The answer, so far, appears to be a resounding yes.

    It also prompts another question: Why are clubs so quick to give a new manager a big transfer budget? Judging from O'Neill's experience, if the new boss represents an upgrade over the old one, simply putting him in charge should yield better results. O'Neill was hailed as a genius for much of his tenure at Villa by those who only looked at the league table and not at the club's finances. But you can't help but wonder how many other managers would have achieved comparable results with such enormous spending.

    Certainly his work at Sunderland—which has consisted almost entirely of actually coaching incumbent players rather than signing new ones—seems far worthier of the genius tag.
     
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  17. MrRAWhite

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    I didn't see the show, but it does sound that Bruce is making a tit of himself.
    On the bright side it's good to see that Lee Clarke now seems apologetic for his past stupidity. He was given more support and respect at Sunderland than he ever got at Newcastle and repaid us with that...<grr>
     
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  18. Apone

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    I've lost all respect for Bruce.

    The way he has constantly shifted blame and patronised our fans (including whilst he was manager) is disgusting.

    I pity the next set of fans that have to put up with his drivel. Steve Bruce... Good bye and Good riddance, you wont be missed.
     
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  19. Cest Advocaat

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    When you hear him talk, its like he is saying that we have missed an opportunity by sacking him too early. If only we had waited? When till, we were actually bottom?

    This of course ignores the plain fact that he presided over a complete shambles of a year up to that point. Our home record was one of the worst in our history and the players just were not playing for him. I'm so bloody tired of hearing we finished 10th by him and his buddies. We could have easily been 14th without a last gasp goal at Sid James to bail us out, or with just another 3 defeats, almost relegated.

    With the exact same squad, an instant impact has been had by Mon, we are 8th and challenging higher (something alien to a Bruce season of latter part slumps) and go into the quarter finals of a major trophy on Saturday at the first time of his asking. Fantastic stuff from Mon.

    Have a look inwardly for the reasons you were sacked Steve, not at everyone and everything around you.

    You were sacked because you were not good enough for this league. That's why wolves told you to piss off as well and would rather struggle on with a total novice instead of you.
     
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    Cest you say all the things I want to say but much more eloquently.

    Agree 100% with your previous post.
     
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