Afternoon Chaps I'm not one to create trouble in our own backyard, but our target was top four this year. Before anyone says anything - I am well aware of what Kenny has done for our club over the years, but being sentimental in a competetive environment isn't neccessarily wise. Should we say thank you for coming in and stabilising us, but take a directors role now? Our buys have been poor - deep down we all knew that from the day we signed them, and we are massively lagging behind and failing to compete with clubs operating on a shoestring. We can all talk of good performances and not scoring (that myth about goalkeeping brilliance stopping us every game and the bar), but we are not winning games and not scoring is down to the players - but who is motivating them and buying them in the first place? We've spent millions and should be seeing a greater return. I could go onto the substitutions and selections too. I'm starting to think for the benefit of the club we might want to bring in an highly motivated outsider, which coupled with money, can bring us forward. What does everyone think?
You've surprised me B4F, didn't think you would be one to call for Kenny's head! We are Liverpool Football Club and we give our managers time to get things right. We have been the better side in the vast majority of our games this season and just lacked the end product. If we have a poacher we would be in the top four easily. I know that is an 'if' but it is a true 'if'. I have absolute confidence in Kenny and Comolli to sort the problem out in the summer.
No probs with Kenny he deserves our patience. It's early days under his reign and we already have silverware.
Time to step back, If this wasn't Kenny, would you be saying the same thing? Aside from a brief stint in the relegation zone Roy was not much better position wise (although his football was worse than we play now) and he had less money to play with. I know Kenny is better than Roy as a manager, but I don't think he's done as well as he should have done given the resources at his disposal
But the reason you lack end product is because you bought carrol, downing, adam and henderson all as attacking players. Anyway. Unlucky today. But if I was you I would sack kenny in the summer and ship out the bad buys asap. Then rebuild. You have a strong defence which is the hardest area to get sorted. So now you can build on that. TBH there is potential there but not under kenny and only if you have another 50-60m to spend in the summer (not by kenny though obv)
Yes, I would be saying the same thing because we have been playing good football. We have been dominating games including the homes games against Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, etc. The 'asking for Kenny's head' is a knee-jerl reaction by impatient fans IMO.
Are you 100% certain that Kenny is responsible for bringing in the British players? While we have a Director of Football, it could have been the board or Comolli. And with that in mind, how can you call for Kenny to go? I'd rather see Comolli go and for Kenny to have a free hand in buying players, and then judge him.
I agree the type of football played has been good, fine tuning and a couple of quality signings in the summer and we'll improve again.
I know this will shock many. I'm not 100% set on saying him out - i'm testing the wate. But you have to ask why do we not have the poacher and lack of end product? Someone has made a mistake somewhere along the line. We give managers time true - I don't see him as a new manager though - more of an emergency stop-gap to get us out the ****er.
Kenny as history of building teams from back to front. If we add a poacher in the summer it will be a very different story. Given time, Henderson will come good, maybe Carroll too although he will never justify the £35m price tag. Downing and Adam are not going to get better and they are proving to be bad buys but it is still early days for both. Not a bad record, out of eight signings, three (Enrique, Henderson, Suarez) are good or better, one (Coates) is for the future, one (Doni) is a back-up keeper with just two (Adam and Downing) that are not up to scratch. The eighth is Carroll who, although is not performing to the level we expect at the minute, is still young and will get better.
Well that depends on who made the decisions mate! Obviously if it was not at all Kenny then that would be understandable. I highly doubt thats the case though.
Oh come on, it is well known that the hold-up in contracts was that Kenny wanted a greater say in signings. Signings like Carroll smack of Kenny not Comolli, There will be no signings without KK's approval
Comolli and Kenny discuss what is needed. Comolli is responsible for finding that type of player but Kenny as the final say on whether we sign them or not. So, if your saying 'why didn't we find a poacher', I'd say it is Comolli's fault as it is his scouting team that failed to deliver! Of course, Comolli and his team could have found a dozen players but Kenny didn't think they was the right signing...
That is the official line, we don't know if that is actually true or not. Same way as Kenny has heaped praise on Comolli this year, hard to separate the PR from the fact these days.
Is that a fact though? People might not like me for this, but I don't see our long-term future with Kenny. He pulled himself out of retirement when we needed him most, i'm just not sure where to go from here.
I think we all know that with him being 61 years old! The whole point of having Comolli in there too is so that players are bought to suit the squad meaning if a new manager comes in there isn't a need for massive sweeping changes. Everything Comolli, Henry, Kenny, etc have said says that Comolli and his team are responsilbe for finding players but Kenny has the final say, ie - Kenny does not get players forced onto him.
Are you telling me Kenny doesn't get involved in looking for players and suggesting we sign them? The problem is in all this is none of us know the real truth.
Honestly don't think these owners are that soft see their recent actions with the Red Sox. If KD hasn't met requirements, he'll go. If the owners have a longer plan then maybe he has met this years and we're being a little impatient which is understandable after all the false dawns and owner/manager promises. KD has won us a trophy this year. League isn't over & if I was the owner & we finish 7th I'd have to say to Kenny a repeat won't be tolerated legend or no but I can accept transfers can go wrong, again; as long as the owners don't mind making 20 mill mistakes fair enough. What I will find hard to accept is those transfer mistakes being selected after a performance like today merely to justify the purchase: that isn't for the good of the club regardless of if it's Kenny's call.
