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Rafa on Chelsea.

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Flappy Flanagan (JK), Mar 7, 2012.

  1. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    I disagree with you. In his Radio 5 interview last night he took the opportunity to state publicly that he was looking for a job and that the name of the club was not the vital thing i.e. he was not tied to Liverpool and that he would give his total effort to whoever employed him. He further showed that he wanted to stay in England but would consider going abroad. Nothing wrong with any of that.
     
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  2. Depay Sound

    Depay Sound Well-Known Member

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    If Rafa becomes Chelsea Manager they are finished.
     
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  3. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    Rafa is what Chelsea need. A solid tactician, that will steady a rocking ship, that won't take bullshit off a load up jumped up past it players.

    Maybe not the long term solution though as his hearts with Liverpool still. He's a cup genius, and RA wants the big cup - so give him a couple of seasons and some money and maybe he'll get it.
     
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  4. Depay Sound

    Depay Sound Well-Known Member

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    He's the only man who could bankrupt Abramovich and then complain about a lack of funds.
     
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  5. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    One word. Clueless.
     
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  6. Kop79

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    This
     
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  7. BringBackfootie

    BringBackfootie New Member

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    Yet he's been to the CL final as much as Fergie even though he's moved clubs moved leagues more than once, If Fergie moved about they would not all work out. Only Hiddink can go anywhere and do a job like noone else can. Best footballing brain in football to ply his trade as he does imo


    Good luck to Rafa where ever he goes, very good manager Top bloke<ok>
     
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  8. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    in fariness to uir... which is not easy seeing he/she says very silly things half the time... Rafa bought aquilani, flopped... took off on a big pay off and promplty flooped again at inter and rather spectaculalry.

    the fact is rafa cannot see for some reason that he has an ego problem that seems to force him to wind up equally egocentric football club owners. he wound up valencia no end, he did the same here and moratti sacked him after six months... only RA has a bigger ego in world fooball than moratti at this point in time... i can't see rafa lasting.

    further..... chelsea have bad issues to resolve so another 500mil and basically sacking all thier sneior players is required. unless RA pays off terry, lampard, malouda and drogba, probably cole, boswinga too... then invests more than city are willing to pay for the top players, pay even more wages too...... well rafa hasn't a hope of catching utd much less city...

    sorry but rafa benetiz needs a project club where he gets the moeny and time to build it up.... kind of like what malaga are to be honest. chelsea are so past that point and into the disaster zone its untrue
     
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  9. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    Rafa the best.

    Dont care what lse you put but my god man, explain yourself.

    He is in no way the best, not at anything. Hes an AWFUL man manager, an AWFUL game changer ( rotation rotation rotation ), an egotistical loon, doesnt know when to shut up.

    If he went to spain now and tried to do what he did with valencia he would fail because when he was doing well Madri were quit the joke ( spend big, win little ) and Barcelona were poor. Sort of like how Chelsea won the title so easily when they did. The big clubs were poor at the time an didnt offer a real challenge.

    I hope chelsea get this man, a man once compared to Jose Mourinho, a man who thinks hes better than the best SAF because he will fail and I will chuckle.

    Before he retires even you LFC fans will laugh at him.
     
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  10. Rubadub

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    Great, another manc on our board that thinks he speaks for the world.
     
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  11. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    We wont <ok>

    For what he's done for the people of Liverpool over the years, he'll always have maximum respect.
     
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  12. BCR

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    This, UIR whether you think he is a terrible manager or not, the fact is he won us trophies. The other fact that SKY has pointed out is the work he has done for the community, for the families of the 96, he has a big heart and no Liverpool supporter would fault him on this front and would tip their hat to him in a heartbeat.
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    to be honest there's a small difference between mr torres and mr benetiz.

    mr benetiz never mouthed off about us after leaving nor did he force a move... now he may well have had a move lined up privately with inter before getting his pay off but hey.... Had torres said publically in the summer that G&H were insufferable and he just had to go 99% of lfc fans would have repsected it.

    Again this would be different to both alonso (pure class and welcome back) and maschernao's overt courting of barca for two years. Mascherano did give his service then left,. i'd have prefered him to go sooner in the summer but thats up to barca too.... i think roy had little worning but was blind to him wanting out.

    all the points baout rafa and the charity stuff and torphies are well made... equally i firmly beleive he let ego run amok and lost it big time and have to question whether he'll come back in a better place after his absence or not.... I think it was right for him to go but have to feel cheslea and RA will end in tears for him.

    that said the mancs calling him a joke neglect convienently his la liga tiles and cl win. he's not a joke but i do think he lost it and must get the sense, humility and abiltiy to work with others back...... its like calling anchelotti a joke for flopping at chelsea after winning a double.. things were different but in the end these are top managers and chelsea chew them up and spit them out for fun... long may that continue <ok>
     
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  14. BCR

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    When he lost Pako Ayesterian (sp) he lost his right hand man who for years helped to provide that ying to his yang. Sammy Lee and the like just couldn't replace that and I think the ego took off after that.
     
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  15. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    When Pako left, Rafa lost a great partner. As you say, it was a question of ying and yang. Imagine what may have happened had Shankly lost Paisley? However, I disagree with both you and MITO with regard to ego. I truly believe that he became engaged in an internal war which took more and more of his attention and made it appear that he was becoming egotistical.

    It will not be until players like Gerrard and Carra feel free to speak truthfully on the situation and or staff (both playing and non-playing) give authoritative accounts that we will truly understand all of the pressures that Rafa was facing.
     
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  16. BCR

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    I think the Ego thing took off after he lost Pako and the H&G thing started. He felt it was up to him to stand up and fight. Problem was he was losing focus of what he was good at..... the field, players, tactics, details, that ultimately cost him. I agree with the last part, I can't wait to hear Carra or Gerrards book when they are finally done and even Rafa's to see what the hell was really happening. If you haven't read it, epic swindle is amazing and sheds a lot of light on the situation as well.
     
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  17. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Bluff, be very careful with Epic Swindle. It was rushed out to maximise is saleablity. It was written by somebody who has their own agenda and does not bring forward much 'hard' evidence to support some it's conclusions. However, if only part of the picture that it paints is true then it's not hard to see that a man like Rafa would become obsessed within it.
     
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  18. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    Debate can only occur when there are 2 arguments.

    There is only one.

    You do know only Liverpool fans think anything of this guy in footballing terms dont you?

    How often do you hear fans of other clubs go...." corrrr blimey that Rafael Benitez is some manager "

    NEVER.
     
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  19. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    In footballing terms ( the important bit considering we are discussing his football ability ) he is rubbish. The man is a joke.
     
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  20. UIR - Kagawa Powa

    UIR - Kagawa Powa New Member

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    Fergie lost Queroz yet he buckled down and carried on winning and being great....
     
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