4-2-3-1 is a different adaptation of 4-1-4-1/4-5-1 etc. At times only Derry was holding = 4-1-4-1 at others Derry and either Barton or Buzz were holding = 4-2-3-1. It's called fluidity and is the way to play imo. Of course Adel wouldn't HAVE to play central for it to be 4-2-3-1. He could be anywhere in that 3 behind the striker, although I'd prefer him in the middle of the 3!! Anyway....I find most of your posts far too negative Flyer. It was a much better performance and we stopped the rot. It's now time to be positive and get behind the team. Oh...and your constant harping on about Kenny is so over the top. That shot hit the side netting inside the goal...virtually unstoppable imo. Plus adel was also possibly one pass away from winning it for us!
I hope that with cisse back we will now play two up front as playing one just isnt working. I agree with your report but imo Kenny should have saved that shot. He really should. Most keepers would. We looked alot more solid as a team, but we are still struggling to get wins. Hope it doesnt come too little too late.
4231 is totally different than a 451 or 4141, we played 4231 last year, we did not play 4231 yesterday. Who played off the front man then? It could have been Taarabt as he was on the left, SWP was on the right and Buz/Barton and Derry were not forward enough to play behind the front man. Im negative about Kenny because he is shocking, anything not straight at him goes in and it cost us yet again yesterday.
Can you explain this Flyer? 4-1-4-1 with SWP on the right, Adel on the left, Barton and Buszaky in the middle.
I was thinking of 4411 but we still were not playing a 4231, yes to 451 or 4141 with Derry as the holding midfielder. Never 4231 in a million years.
Mate...you're starting to talk bollocks. What do you mean..."who played off the front man?"!! In a 4-2-3-1 there are 3 behind the front man!! NO ONE PLAYER PLAYS OFF THE FRONT MAN IN THAT FORMATION. Which explains why you couldn't see anyone playing off Zamora...that would be 4-4-1-1 or any number of variations. Formations aren't set in concrete, but I feel as though I'm wasting my time as you don't seem to get it!
4-5-1 is 4-2-3-1 by another name. You still have 5 in the middle and we did that yesterday to match their 4-2-3-1!!
The difference between 4-1-4-1 and 4-2-3-1 is only the position of one of the central midfield players. The wider players were getting forwards quickly to support Zamora which they would in either formation. Did you go to the game Flyer? As you well know, it isn't the same watching on the TV.
You dont get it, a 4231 refers to 3 attacking midfielders, one on the right, one of the left and one in the middle. Who was in the middle? It was Adel last season. There was no one playing off the front man all game, thats a fact. We had 3 in the middle in Derry, Barton and Buz and none of them were that far forward, so name the attacking 3 behind Zamora?
------------xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx--------yyyyyy--------xxxxxx -------xxxxx-----------xxxxx ------------------------------- xxxxxx-----xxxxxxx-xxxxx---xxxxxx- thats a 4231, I want to know who was playing in the y position ----------xxxxxxxx --------------------------------- xxxxx-----xxxxx-xxxxxx-xxxxxxxx -----------xxxxxx xxxxx----xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxxxx 4141 3 players change position, the wingers are more defensive minded and the AMC becomes a DMC. One is an attacking formation and one is pretty defensive, they are not similar. Yes, I was there all game.
I'm getting a bit bored with this now...but... Barton was generally in the middle of the 3 with SWP on the right and Adel on the left. Sometimes Barton sat with Derry, letting Buzz get further forward. At other times it was 4-1-4-1 with just Derry holding. The main point you're missing is that we played 5 in the middle, in varying positions to match their 5. As Roller asks...were you there?
But no one behind the front man hence it could not have been a 4231 like last season. I have to ask, did you go to any games last season because you dont know what a 4231 is. The central man in a 4231 has little of no defensive duties and plays off the front man, not one of the middle 3 did that.
THERE IS NO ONE MAN BEHIND THE STRIKER IN A 4-2-3-1!!!!!!!!!!!! Christ on a bike! That's 4-4-1-1 I was at most of the home games last season and within the 4-2-3-1 the front 4 all interchanged throughout the game. No one player played off the forward.
You dont have a clue, you really dont. So Helguson was playing on the wing or behind the front man last season at times? the 3 in the 4231 refers to 3 attacking midfielders, left central and right. We did not have an attacking midfielder in the middle hence we could not have played a 4231, end of. You can post more bollocks but Im done, Ive proved you wrong.
No idea re the rankings etc wasn't there ... But **** a penguin what the **** is all this Flyer formation bollocks ... I bet Bob reads this and then shakes his head. Sounds more like Mike Bassett's Christmas Tree Formation but at least the bile on the forum is down at last
If that makes you feel better....fine! HH was obviously up top most of the time, but there were times when one of the 3 ended up there whilst he ran the channels etc. The attacking 3 constantly interchanged and in fact, Adel did an awful lot of his damage from the left. You stated that there should be a main man playing off the striker in a 4-2-3-1...we clearly didn't have that last season. Adel had licence to roam all over and no one player played off the striker. If you want to say you've got it right and I haven't and that I don't get what 4-2-3-1 is then I hope that makes you feel better. Most on here tend to respect my opinions on these things.
Exactly this. Our 5 were pretty fluid yesterday i thought.The 5 across the middle can change depending on if we are attacking or defending. Good players are able to interchange as required.
