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Discussion in 'Celtic' started by RebelBhoy, Mar 2, 2012.

  1. RebelBhoy

    RebelBhoy Moderator
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    Cheerio cheats.

    Loath as I am to quote the Daily Mail, the quotes from Hugh Adam show anyone who was in any doubt whatsoever that they willingly, willfully and knowingly cheated for nigh on 2 decades.
    There can be no come back from this:

    Rangers stand accused of failing to properly register players after a former director revealed secretive payments had been consistently excluded from contracts lodged with the SFA.
    The embattled Ibrox club are awaiting the outcome of the First Tier Tax Tribunal which will determine the legality or otherwise of Employee Benefit Trusts (EBTs).
    Regardless of whether Rangers are hit with an additional bill of £49million from the so-called 'big tax case', it appears such payments were kept 'off the books' - in direct contravention of SFA registration rules.

    Former Ibrox director Hugh Adam, who had a 30-year association with the club until 2002, has told Sportsmail that the club's directors were aware of the arrangement - one he believes could have started as early as the mid-1990s.
    'They weren't included in the contracts. They definitely weren't. That was the whole point of them,' he said. 'If they'd been included in the contracts, they would have had to have paid tax on them.
    'I don't think a lot of the other directors knew an awful lot about it. David Murray kept everything to himself.
    'The directors just wanted to sit in the directors' box. That's all. When I was on the board, I knew all about them.
    'I just didn't know the details of them. They became accepted. 'The revenue were seriously challenging them at that point when I was a director.

    'People never really asked serious questions about them. "It's perfectly legal" was what they thought.
    'It wasn't happening in Britain, so had nothing to do with Britain. All the directors heard about them but didn't take them seriously because they didn't appear in the books.'
    Adam's revelation suggests a clear breach of the SFA rulebook - and is a potential embarrassment to current SFA president Campbell Ogilvie, who had a 27-year association with Rangers, many of them spent as secretary.
    The SFA rule on registration states: 'All payments made to a player relating to his playing activities must be clearly recorded upon the relevant contract and/or agreement.
    'No payment for his playing activities may be made to the player through a third party.'
    Adam, the man who funded the redevelopment of Ibrox through Rangers pools, believes payments into discretionary trusts may have gone on well before the turn of the millennium.
    It's understood the 'big tax case' relates to EBT payments from 2000 until 2009 but, when questioned if he heard of similar payments in the mid- 1990s, Adam confirmed: 'Without having any specialist knowledge, I'm pretty sure.

    'People didn't want to know about them. There was a lot of that (EBTs) going on at the time (I was there).
    'You knew it was cheating but some of them not only hoped but believed it was above board. 'It's this thing that when something happens it has to have a beginning and an end, but that wasn't the case with the overseas things.
    'It was just something that crept up. It was considered important but not crucial. The fans didn't give a damn one way or another. You could argue that they knew about it but didn't think it was important.
    'Maybe they never thought it was as much as it really was. And maybe it wasn't. I don't know if you remember radio stations from ships.
    'I don't think they were making a fortune but they weren't costing a lot of money, so no one bothered.
    'When I was asked for my opinion on the way the club had been run, I said it was quite obvious how it had got into trouble.'They were doing things they shouldn't have been doing.
    'They (EBTs) were always regarded in my time as a bit of a joke. They were getting away with it but nobody really thought they'd get away wi th i t forever. '
    It would be an offshore trust - almost like a boat. You could dodge your taxes that way. It wasn't something that you picked up the paper and read about. It was one at a time then grew on a gradual basis.
    'The players were very naive. Few of them were the Brain of Britain, of course. If they get the money, they don't give a damn where it's coming from.'
     
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  2. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    using players who have not been properly registered with the governing body = stripped of titles

    no debate, pretty straightforward really
     
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  3. Rustie bugmuncher

    Rustie bugmuncher Well-Known Member

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    in any other sport if you are caught cheating you are stripped of your titles (contador) most recent example of this. I somehow doubt that the huns will be stripped of titles by the spl.
     
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  4. VenomPD

    VenomPD Merrick jr

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    Good riddance to the dirty cheating ****s. <ok>
     
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  5. Go Go Yellowscreen

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    The SPL/SFA will say it's too long ago and they can't do anything about it.
     
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  6. RebelBhoy

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    A Mr C Ogilvie might say that.......

    But then he is going to be spending more time with his family fairly soon.

    The next guy is surely going to act.
     
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    <laugh>

    Get it round yeez!!

    And

    PITY THE TIMMY <laugh>
     
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  10. Mind The Duck

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    45 and count.....that's it <ok>
     
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    Then we have to sue the sfa , for lost revenue , look at all that champions league money we were denied. To think Rangers p*ssed it up against the wall is even more annoying .
     
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  12. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    I don't think there is any doubt now that Rangers have been cheating for the last 17 years at least. How much further back their shennigans go we will probably never find out but at least it's out in the open now.

    Campbell Ogilvie will be sweating bullets as will Martin Bain.

    It will be interesting to hear if Mark Hateley thinks any of his title wins whilst he was at Rangers were indeed "tainted". I doubt he does but then again that would be no surprise coming from that arse.
     
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  13. RebelBhoy

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    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...2149417?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it

    Treasury Secretary Danny Alexander:

    &#8220;People who dodge taxes are on the same moral plane as benefits cheats,&#8221;

    I found the self congratulatory tones of RTC and Phil the Blogger to be a little unsavory.......But I can see exactly why they do it.
     
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  14. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    <laugh>

    That's weak, even for you.

    But carry on patting yourself on the back.
     
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  15. RebelBhoy

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    Yes, lets pretend that a member of the British Government, an Oxbridge Graduate in economics and Treasury Secretary hasn't drawn exactly the same conclusions as little old me.

    Unless of course you think that Danny Alexander took a little peek at not606, saw the roasting you were taking from myself and others and thought to himself that he'd steal my patter instead of relying on his professional experience?

    Take your oil.
     
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  16. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Your analogy was and is broken. EBT equals fraud?

    Oh, I see. The result of the tribunal is in and Rangers have not only lost but have also been accused of fraud. I would hope and expect that a criminal investigation follows and charges will be laid.

    Roasting? What are you? Fantasist and/or egoist? <laugh>
     
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  17. RebelBhoy

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    Give it up Gambol, there is no debate to be had here. You have decisively and comprehensively lost.

    I put forward an analogy, you rubbish it. That exact same analogy is then repeated by someone, not just in the know but, in a very prominent and influential position on the matter at hand.

    I don't have an ego in general but if everyone else is entitled to crow about the things they have gotten right, then I think I can too. even over something as small as this.

    I don't believe you are stupid Gambol, you must see the point I have made. You must see the point that Danny Alexander has made. If you are pretending not to, then I don't see who benefits. If you genuinely can' see it, then I'll just have to concede I was mistaken.
     
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  18. Tina_old

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    Why's Gambol beelin'? His team have been caught cheating across the board, including their implementation of the EBT's....

    Pretty straightforward case of der hun being ****ed.

    :grin:
     
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  19. Tom Selleck

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    Perhaps this is all just the tip of the iceberg... who knows what will be uncovered in the upcoming months?

    How funny it would be if there was some kind of slush fund or payments that were made to certain people... eg Mr H. Dallas, Mr D. McDonald, Mr G. McBride et al! LOL
     
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  20. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    Im not surprised you`re crying.

    Still, chin up eh ? worse things happen at sea.
     
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