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Holt not expecting England call!

Discussion in 'Norwich City' started by canary-dave, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. Tony_Munky_Canary

    Tony_Munky_Canary Well-Known Member

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    Holt may not perhaps have the technical ability or sheer pace of either Wellbeck or Sturridge, but I damn sure know who rather have coming on for the last 15 minutes needing a goal. Absolute no brainer, it would be the big fella all day long <ok>

    Interesting to see that McClean eventually got himself called up for Ireland after plenty of noise in the press about him missing out of the original squad, still no sniff for Wes or Pilks though - do we smell or something?
     
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  2. Pete Doherty

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    The 'it's a team game' line isn't an excuse to pick clearly inferior players.
     
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  3. Tony_Munky_Canary

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    "inferior" as in having scored and assisted more goals than any of them this season?
     
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  4. Pete Doherty

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    Yeah.

    If you think stats tell the whole story you are seriously thick.
     
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  5. Canary Rob

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    Don't feed the Doherty WUM, we all know Birmingham would kill to have a striker like Holt in their squad.

    International standard he is not, technically world class he is not, but passion and graft he has in abundance and he's in a lot better form than (excluding Rooney and Graham) the rest of the shower of **** in England's striker department
     
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  6. Tony_Munky_Canary

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    Eleven goals against Premiership opposition this season (including United, Chelsea, Liverpool and Newcastle) at comfortably more than a goal every other game, with several other assists to boot. Not to mention the fifty odd goals in the past two promotion seasons, where he has worn the armband and led the team on the field like a true talisman, giving his everything for the cause and scoring some stunning goals with both feet, his head and even after running with the ball from his own half beforwe slotting home.

    Stop reading the blinkered tabloid rubbish, turn Football Manager off and look at the actual, real life stats my friend and perhaps even watch a bit of Holty play and then tell me he's a 'pub team' player <ok>
     
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  7. Pete Doherty

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    There's a difference between playing for Birmingham and playing for England PAL.

    Passion and graft, for christ's sake. It's this bullshit that has stopped England from winning anything for 40 years.
     
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  8. Canary Rob

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    AHAHAHAHAHAHA so you agree that you'd love to have a decent player like Holt in your squad. I thought so.

    Err. You obviously don't watch England- pretty sure that a lack of passion and graft was precisely what was lacking at the last World Cup. Too many overpaid prima donnas more interested in their club performances
     
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  9. Resurgam

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    And there was me thinking it was the players and management that weren't upto scratch or other teams were better than us. Silly me.
     
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  10. Tony_Munky_Canary

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    Name a successful international team - or club team for that matter - that isn't full of passion and graft?

    Muppet <doh>
     
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  11. Pete Doherty

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    This thread isn't about Birmingham though, it's about England. So try and grow up a bit.

    We didn't do well at the last world cup because of the team selection and the tactics.

    For too long players have been picked on the basis of pashun rather than talent.

    It's got to stop!
     
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  12. ncgandy

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    Hang on, so you're saying the players at the last world cup were picked solely for their passion, and not their talent?

    I'm a little confused. (probably just need to grow up a bit)
     
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  13. Pete Doherty

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    No.

    You do.
     
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  14. Canary Rob

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    Yes, but you suggested that Holt was a pub team player- not sure who you're comparing him to if it's not Birmingham players?

    And me grow up AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA after you've come on here deliberately wumming, oh the irony AHAHAHAHA.

    Who exactly has been picked on the basis of "pashun" rather than talent? Terry? Ferdinand? Gerrard? Lampard? Rooney? All these players have underperformed at international level despite their undoubted talent due to a lack of effort. You clearly do not watch international football.

    The fact is you can't pick a team based on talent if there is no talent around. We have a couple of young prospective talents (Welbeck and Sturridge) but neither are performing at the highest level and who's to say they ever will? We have some donkeys who have only ever been donkeys (Heskey etc) and our one world class striker is out for the first two matches. All we have left is the lesser talented players who are in good form to paste over the cracks. The only two that fit that bill are Graham and Holt. Holt can score with both feet, is great in the air and has a decent touch. When you combine that with his dressing room presence and his effort/graft on the pitch that was distinctly missed in the WC he should clearly get a look in. Especially as he is a team player, unlike your Bents etc who expect the ball to be played to them.
     
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  15. Pete Doherty

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    English strikers with more talent than Grant Holt:

    Rooney
    Welbeck
    Sturridge
    Bent
    Defoe
    Crouch
    Zamora
    Graham

    Holt should be nowhere near any international team.

    I'd run my 'nads off if I was called up. Does that make me international class? No it doesn't.
     
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  16. ncgandy

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    I said this, when?
     
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  17. Pete Doherty

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    You're making no sense.

    Are you drunk?
     
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  18. Canary Rob

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    Oh so you really don't know anything do you

    Rooney OUT for the first two games and this Wednesday

    Bent OUT for Wednesday and possibly the whole of the Euros

    Defoe doesn't really play football anymore

    Crouch and Zamora undoubtedly more talented but now over the hill and not performing (certainly Zamora isn't). Crouch will probably go to the Euros

    Graham is evidently the equal of Holt, although they are practically incomparable. Graham is an out-and-out finisher like Bent, but Holt has a better all round game and leadership qualities. Holt's finishing is as good as Graham's (see v Everton or Man U). The main thing Graham has over Holt is his age.

    Welbeck and Sturridge are more talented, BUT THEY AREN'T PLAYING WELL

    We pick five strikers for the Euros: Rooney, Crouch, Welbeck, Sturridge and Holt or Graham
     
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  19. ncgandy

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    No, but it would probably help make sense of your drivel.

    Judging by your output all over not606 tonight, you'd be picked for your 'engine!' <ok>
     
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  20. Pete Doherty

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    Four strikers for a 4 2 3 1

    Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Crouch

    Defoe if you really want a fifth.
     
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