I'm saying I have played with midfielders and against midfielders who are technically better footballers than Song so YES better players, in fact, they'd make him look silly. He is clumsy and slow and these ballers were twinkle toes. Bad attitudes .. maybe - Jermaine Wynter for example was a big head and you couldn't tell him anything - but he'd piss all over Song, Song wouldn't get close to him. When the likes of Steven Clemence (Ray Clemence's son) makes it but Jermaine Wynter doesn't - I know something is wrong with football. He was at Arsenal with Isaiah Rankin, Paolo Vernazza and Stephen Hughes to name a few. George Graham didn't like skillful players and thats a fact. I used to go up London Colney and watch them train .. walk in with Jermaine and stroll around the training pitches - gaze at the first teamers. It is this very problem that is the reason why England are so far behind the rest of the world technically, too many skillful players have it either coached out of them or they don't make it because they are small or have bad attitudes. We should be managing these players and treating them like gold dust. I'm also saying Song is NOT a good footballer, he is a stopper and thats it, his technique is severely limited. I don't rate him at all. Any player with some size can do what he does.
I can agree with this. But don't forget, players mature so that attitude problem can disappear then you are left with a gem. Also, football in the lower leagues is totally different, the ball ping pongs more, play bypasses midfield more, the pitches are awful too. Its hard to look good on a muddy pitch if you are a dribbler or a baller.
Sutton also had player's that went on to play in the league Charlie vaughan,in the 50sand more up to date Efan Eukoko,Nick Bailey playing for Middlesboro,Jon Nurse at Dagenham&redbridge And Doncaster Manager Andy Scott started At Sutton,all slipped under the Radar to start with but had scout's watching after hearing other's talk about them
So let me get this straight. You're saying that Song is better than every single footballer that never made it???
You just don't get it do you. Its not like I am some armchair fan/footballer saying I could do this and that, I have done it, I've played with players who have been released from pro clubs, they stand out a mile mostly, players of a certain ilk. Their first touch and speed of thought is on another level, this is pretty much what separates footballers at a higher level and their movement. From what I've seen of them and what I see in Song and his blatantly obvious lack of technique makes me strong in my opinion that, there are better players than him playing semi professional football. For all the talk of how football has changed, it hasn't mostly, I am convinced that if Song wasn't big he wouldn't be a pro baller.
We are comparing a Professional Football Player to People who MIGHT have made it? BTW Technique isn't everything
It was a simple question really. Going further I would be interested to know if anyone believes that only the best make it to the top of any profession?
why would we value technique when we can get big, in-yer-face, snarly, ankle tapping ,elbowing, box-to-box engined hulks? and their managers would say 'but they are not that kind of player' ......
I agree that not all the best players make it to professional level...I mean look ate me...but on a serious note, yes not all the best make it to the top
We could do with a few of those types in our squad, rather than the continual getting injured, weak, gust of wind battling maggots we have in our squad.
So let me get this straight. You're saying that you agree that Song is at the level of lower league players? Is this the same rationale that would have you sell Sagna for not being good enough too ?
No. As usual you fail to understand. I am saying that there most certainly are better players than Song that never make it. Very clear really, even for you. Your initial argument against Hothead was weak.
So you agree that Song is better than a lower league player ? The reason I have to keep questioning you is because your assessment of our player's abilities is not reliable - as demonstrated by your views on Sagna.
if a player never makes it then how can they be better than song??? song plays for a top english club and said player dont. do the "math"
Your assessments Piskie are laughable - as demonstrated so many times - never mind unreliable Your question is also laughable. Quite clearly Song is better than a lower league player. Now is he better than all players that never made it (my actual question)? And is it possible hothead played football with players that are indeed better than him? Go ahead and respond to those questions - in doing so you might realise just how stupid your initial views were
