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What will it take for LFC to win the league?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Manciniiiiiii, Feb 12, 2012.

  1. suarezlfc

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  2. David Schofield

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    'Once again you interpret things as you please in order to come out on top'

    When Yaya Toure left Citeh for CAN they were 3 points clear, when he returned, they were 2 points clear.

    So yes they missed him.

    But the squad maintained it's position as League Leaders, because it could.
     
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  3. District Line

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    The only way Liverpool would win the League IMO is if a bomb dropped on Manchester and London. Arsenal and Chelsea not so much, but Liverpool are light years behind the top 2 and I'd say some way behind Spurs as well.

    Liverpool would be top 4 easily if they'd spent and sold properly and would be lucrative to any top player <ok>
     
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  4. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    We've got a manager in his first full season with us,in 1 final and in with a chance of another.

    He also has a chance to take us to 4th this season,thats progress after the turmoil of the two previous seasons and how do you know the progress wont continue next season?
     
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  5. District Line

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    Liverpool are a long way off the FA Cup final but I agree they'd have a good chance of getting there. I think Liverpool are improving but you are light years off most of the teams above you and that has showed.

    The London clubs are vulnerable but there is no way you'll finish above City or United soon and that's what it would take for you to win the league.

    Carroll, Downing, Henderson are not top 4 material let alone title.

    Out:

    Carroll
    Downing
    Henderson
    Johnson

    Build the team around Agger, Enrique, Skrtel, Suarez and Gerrard
     
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  6. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    Thank you for your interest.

    It's not against teams like United or City that we have to improve. However, we are on our way. It appears the majority of the London clubs are travelling in the opposite direction
     
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  7. suarezlfc

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    But it went out of 2 cups...
    Seriously, they haven't got the players to replace him long term. de Jong will do a job for a game or two, but he'll never have the impact of Yaya. Nor will Nasri.



    Anyway, this isn't about them...
     
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  8. Page_Moss_Kopite

    Page_Moss_Kopite Well-Known Member

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    My point is District is your saying we're 'light years' behind and im saying our manager is in his first season.

    So we never expected the title 'this' season,only when hes had a chance with no excuses for failure can we say we've got no chance of winning it.

    Ok i see your point over the signings hes made so far,but hes only just finding his feet.

    I agree the blue mancs are miles ahead but with the new fair play rule coming in they'll have a smaller squad until their income meets their expenditure,and apart from Spurs away we've given a good account of ourselves against the teams above us and its our consistency against teams below us and our shots to goals that have been our downfall and lost us at least 10 points this season.
     
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  9. District Line

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    That's what you Liverpool fans don't understand and why your team has done better in the cups.

    Beating United away is not more or less important than beating Wigan at home.

    Football is a 38 game league. United have the experience and know-how and quality to match, Chelsea are the same but without the quality. City have strength and depth and enough quality.

    It's no coincidence that since 2005 Chelsea and United are the only teams that have won it and I wouldn't be surprised if that continued this season.

    Liverpool aren't close to being able to challenge for the title.

    Arsenal have been in decline for years but time will tell with Chelsea depending on what happens over the next 6 months. Seeing as it will (as it stands) be our first season outside the top 4 in nearly a decade I'd like to give us one more season before saying we are "on our way down", as Spurs have proved it isn't impossible to bounce back <ok>
     
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  10. District Line

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    Do I think you are light years of the London clubs? By no means
    Do I think you are light years of the Manchester clubs? Yes... and 99% of people would agree.

    There is a good chance you could be 24 and 22 points behind the Manc clubs respectively this time next week.

    I am not biased as if you asked most Arsenal and Chelsea fans they would also admit to being light years behind the top two.

    Things can change and I'm sure Liverpool will improve, but right here and now you aren't close to them and deep down you know it.

    I'm not here to trash you as I've said the same things about us on the Chelsea board and to Arsenal fans on theirs and even Spurs fans on our board (I'm banned from theirs)
     
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  11. Page_Moss_Kopite

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    Since 1964 <yikes>
     
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  12. Foredeckdave

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    Whilst we are all to well aware of our frailty against 'lower' teams, particularly at home, your analysis has some major flaws in it.

    As far as United are concerned. We told the Mancs before the season started that their midfield was porous and that their defence was not as good as they believed. We have been proved right. Rather than powering-on as you would normalyy expect from them, I believe that we have seen the best of United for this season.

    As far as Chelsea is concerned, you have to admit that not only do you need to re-build over the summer but you have a major managerial dilema to cope with. Remember Spurs may have "bounced back" but it's taken them the best part of 20 years to do so.
     
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    Dave he does'nt seem to understand the irony of his comment.

    Spurs(lets be honest they're doing great)but bounce back from when to where after how long?

    District if we do finish 4th this season does our 2 season absence from the CL count as bouncing back and will we get a trophy for it?

    If your on about Spurs bouncing back from when they last won the title surely they'd have to win the title this season?
     
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  14. District Line

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    It doesn't matter though because nobody's defence is that good. Everybody is leaking goals and more goals are being scored than ever before. It's a result of the new competitiveness of the league that has happened because 3 of the traditional top 4 have declined massively and others have stepped in.

    Whilst you criticise United, before we played them, away from home they had only let in 7 goals away from home all season, and they still hold the tightest defence on the road.

    The league is becoming far less tactical (Serie A) and far more technical (La Liga) hence why we are seeing more goals in general, it's a result of Barca's dominance ans Spain at international level.

    The likes of Wigan, Swansea, QPR, Norwich all decent footballing teams on their day are slowly replacing the likes of Birmingham, Bolton, Blackburn etc who rely on tactics and long ball.

    To get to the point, all you have to do these days is outscore your opponents, which United can do to anyone more often than not.

    If Chelsea get 4th this season, we'll be alright and should challenge next but if we don't we'll implode and most likely finish outside the top 4 again for the next 2 years at least.
     
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  15. District Line

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    The reality is football is now a business not a sport. 4th is as valuable as 1st - which is a sad fact IMO as I see anything other than 1st as failure.

    Champions League Football is the platform to spread your global brand and attract players. With it - Sky is the limit, without it, you are screwed.

    If Spurs had any sense, in the January window (10/11 season) at the latest they should have strengthened. The reason Modric wanted out and the reason they couldn't sign any quality players was because they didn't have CL football and they didn't expect to get it, I don't think anybody in their right minds anticipated Arsenal and Chelsea in particular would be this far off the pace.

    If Liverpool get 4th this season - which is unlikely - they could start to assemble a title challenging squad, no top player with ambition will play for a club that isn't in the CL.
     
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    Teams trying to play football does not make them good teams, overall the standard of the prem this season is the lowest for many years.
     
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  17. Page_Moss_Kopite

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    Whoaaaa District,i know all about what finishing 4th,3rd,2nd and 1st means.

    As regards Spurs,Chelsea and Arsenal.

    Spurs,Harry will be the England manager this summer,and the odds are they'll go backwards again.
    Ditto the same situation when AVB and Wenger leave/get the elbow from Chelsea and Arsenal respectively.
     
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  18. Noblelox

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    I think to win the league, we only need some decent fans. All these people thinking we need to buy and sell six players, are just as big a cancer as people from other clubs coming in here. How are players supposed to get confidence if their own fans hate them? With the exception of Downing, every player in this team has improved this year, and we still have 3 months of this season left to get even better. Kenny cut out all the bad wood this season and in the process of ripping that plaster off, we were hurt, we had to get use to too many new player in one go. Now that they are getting better, there is absolutely no reason to have to perform the same drastic action again this summer. I say we need a maximum of two new players, and maybe, if I'm harsh, get Downing out, but I'm not even gagging for that to happen.

    We are not light years behind any team in the world. One of united best players was playing for Wigan the season before last. It is not the quality of the squad at united, it is the belief in the club and the manager. On paper their squad is not as good as ours. They have an old defence, but most teams are too scared and respectful to have a go at them, but history shows that any club who does have a go, usually get something out of them. As 11 players they are nothing special. Same with Citeh, it's all in the head. People see them as the most expensive collection of players in the world and give them far too much respect. It was the same with Liverpool in the 70's & 80's. We got more success that we earned, due to our reputation. Spurs are a good team, but I wouldn't fear them, if Stevenage can hold them, they are hardly 11 super-human gods. I am more concerned with the threat from the north east, than London!
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    all I'll say is compared to sunderland we look fabulous on the fans front cos we turned up.

    I prefer more than 2 players though.... I'd still say 4 more but hey....
     
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    We need:

    2 no world class wingers.
    1 no world class goalscorer.
    1 no world class midfielder for stevie's replacement.

    Basically everything we tied to buy this time round!
     
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