An independent inquiry into the 'independent' inquiry

[One of the lads]

171. Thus, the word can be employed with the intent to offend and to offend in racial terms;

 

[DirtyFrank]

What has 'being in Europe for a number of years' go to do with anything? Yes, he played in Amsterdam so does that make him an expert in English culture?

Actually European football has been conspicuously silent on this issue, for two reasons I believe.

On one hand the normal people in their various countries have a more mature attitude to different ethnicities living beside each other: they don't as societies continually force groups to amalgamate & adopt the same world view point or even language. Probably down to the historical free movement of people across the continent.

We're a group of islands with a defensive (justifiably in history so) attitude.

Interestingly, two of the countries who have a similar approach as societies as we do in trying to force a "beige"
Population have the same kind of racism issues: Poland and Italy.

You can't force the tribalism out of the human brain: you can enforce tolerance & equality but that's it. For gods sake, competitive sport would not exist without encouraging tribalism: Look at not famous as a perfect product of this encouragement lol Imagine the Olympic games if we all said ah we don't really Mind who wins!

Platini has been wise to be quiet about racism. France actually payed their traveling community to leave their country en masse.

Can you imagine if as a country we turned round to the black or Asian community and said: "we don't want you here, here's some money now bugg*r off"???nor do I advocate it But yet France has not become the outcast of Europe.

Ajax fans know that this spat, has nothing to do with real racists issues. It's a combination of media/special interest opportunism, our society's tendency to hand wring over the small detail so as not to look at the whole picture and have the adult conversation.

They applauded Suarez because he was a successful footballer not because he was a bastion of moral or multicultural virtue.

Only we expect our usually poorly educated spoilt adrenaline pumped egotists to be UN ambassadors as well.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

^this^

This ^

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Yes, the fact is he used a word that is considered racist in this country (by most people). He admitted to that fact.

Again this shows you clearly haven't read the report.

 

[saintanton]

171. Thus, the word can be employed with the intent to offend and to offend in racial terms;

You've read the report extract and still stick to your guns?
Give up, sunshine- your argument is dead in the water.

 

[Chief]

Fair play boys, you aren't ever going to let this ****er lie are you?

Jesus.

 

[DirtyFrank]

Fair play boys, you aren't ever going to let this ****er lie are you?

Jesus.

Put No one At all back on his leash & it may have a chance. Count him on four separate threads stoking & even rejuvenated a dead thread all by himself...see my earlier post about the irony of Utd boys coming over participating deliberately in the threads & then whining about the issue not being left alone. Oh wait, that would be you too!

 

[Chief]

No, not really. I came on for a browse and saw that there are still two threads still banging on about it so made a jokey comment. Other than that it's fairly amusing but I've got no intention of joining in.

Seriously though, it's best left.

Cheers.

 

[StJohn_Red_Legend]

171. Thus, the word can be employed with the intent to offend and to offend in racial terms;

Selective quoting - the last refuge of the desperate...
"171. Thus, the word can be employed with the intent to offend and to offend in racial terms;
often the word would be appended with further insult, as in the example "negro de
mierda" [****ty black].
190...Mr Suarez would not have needed any further sense of
familiarity to use the word "negro", which is to say how well Mr Suarez knew Mr Evra is
not of particular importance; in Rioplatense Spanish the use of "negro" as described here
by Mr Suarez would not be offensive. Indeed, it is possible that the term was intended as
an attempt at conciliation and/or to establish rapport "

You STILL haven't provided your two facts...

 

[saintanton]

No, not really. I came on for a browse and saw that there are still two threads still banging on about it so made a jokey comment. Other than that it's fairly amusing but I've got no intention of joining in.

Seriously though, it's best left.

Cheers.

Best left from a Utd point of view, yes. Because the more the report is examined the more obvious the injustice.

 

[DirtyFrank]

No, not really. I came on for a browse and saw that there are still two threads still banging on about it so made a jokey comment. Other than that it's fairly amusing but I've got no intention of joining in.

Seriously though, it's best left.


Good stuff! In fairness there was really only one thread going again by actual LFC fans; who had stated that they'd only started commenting now rather than at the time in the hope they could discuss the matter More objectively: as noble an aim as that was, it would was always doomed to attract the winders & I'll be the first to admit I bit on 3 separate occasions.

Just annoyed me when I discovered other fans playing both sides of the "let it die" argument.

 

[StJohn_Red_Legend]

No, not really. I came on for a browse and saw that there are still two threads still banging on about it so made a jokey comment. Other than that it's fairly amusing but I've got no intention of joining in.

Seriously though, it's best left.

Cheers.

Best left from a Utd point of view, yes. Because the more the report is examined the more obvious the injustice.

Ruff is sound - and he's right to a degree, it is best left. Its just when an idiot appears claiming to know better than everyone else that we react.

I, for one, won't let it lie while others continue their ill-informed campaigns of hate...

 

[carlsberg]

Seriously though, it's best left.

i disagree, if we just leave it, it just means they'll think they can get away with it again in future.
the only way cheating, corruption, and injustice wins is if everyone gives up, and leaves them alone to carry it on.
this might not be the most serious case of injustice, but it is still an injustice.
the actual incident itself, yes, it probably is best to draw a line under that. but the whole behaviour of the fa and their 'investigation' and hearing, certainly not.

 

[StJohn_Red_Legend]

Seriously though, it's best left.

i disagree, if we just leave it, it just means they'll think they can get away with it again in future.
the only way cheating, corruption, and injustice wins is if everyone gives up, and leaves them alone to carry it on.
this might not be the most serious case of injustice, but it is still an injustice.
the actual incident itself, yes, it probably is best to draw a line under that. but the whole behaviour of the fa and their 'investigation' and hearing, certainly not.

^this

 

[DirtyFrank]

No, not really. I came on for a browse and saw that there are still two threads still banging on about it so made a jokey comment. Other than that it's fairly amusing but I've got no intention of joining in.

Seriously though, it's best left.

Cheers.

Best left from a Utd point of view, yes. Because the more the report is examined the more obvious the injustice.

Ruff is sound - and he's right to a degree, it is best left. Its just when an idiot appears claiming to know better than everyone else that we react.

I, for one, won't let it lie while others continue their ill-informed campaigns of hate...

Exactly; you don't stop someone beating you on the head by staying quiet and smiling:

Passive resistance: what is its common theme: Jesus, Gandhi, Martin Lither king? They all took one hit too many and changed not a thing.

 

[johnsonsbaby]

Why do rival fans continue to look on the LFC board - go straight to a thread about something they find 'boring' or 'best left' - but carry on commenting anyway. It defies logic. It's one thing having a browse for threads that catch your interest but then to leave a comment 9 pages in (in this instance) is crazy - no matter how sound the poster is.

 

[Page_Moss_Kopite]

below is a reference to a statement made by Javier Hernandez.

Hernandez is talking about team-mate Omar Esparza when he is quoted as saying: "I liked the goal of the Negrito, I think it's a sign that Chivas youth are ready to respond in big games.”

Clearly a racist?

Suarez was the sacrificial lamb on Blatter's altar.

Its been done to death and as Suarez and LFC are'nt going to contest the FA's findings(as far as we know)maybe its time to move on.


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[johnsonsbaby]

"Passive resistance: what is its common theme: Jesus, Gandhi, Martin Lither king? They all took one hit too many and changed not a thing. "



Gandhi successfully used passive resistance to end British imperialism in India
Martin Luther King used it in the 60's civil rights movement to end segregation and many racist policies in the southern US

 

[saintanton]

below is a reference to a statement made by Javier Hernandez.

Hernandez is talking about team-mate Omar Esparza when he is quoted as saying: "I liked the goal of the Negrito, I think it's a sign that Chivas youth are ready to respond in big games.”

Clearly a racist?

Suarez was the sacrificial lamb on Blatter's altar.

Its been done to death and as Suarez and LFC are'nt going to contest the FA's findings(as far as we know)maybe its time to move on.


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Certainly I'm one of those who is tired of the turd-throwing contest that has comprised most of the debate on this affair, but I think this thread - despite an attempt by NOF to drag it down - serves a necessary purpose.
It has for the most part, given us the opportunity to analyse the thing in a more serious and reflective way.
Yes, we need to draw a line under the incident, but the FA's conduct in this has become the focus of our discussions, and rightly so, imo.
It's clear that what passes for due process within the FA is deeply flawed- the contradiction in their stances over Suarez and Rooney being a prime example.
I don't think the FA are particularly pro Utd or anti LFC- their agenda is thoroughly self serving. What those who are slagging us off need to remember is that they too could end up on the receiving end of the FA's curious brand of justice. A precedent has been set which will be impossible to maintain consistently.
Anyone who looks at the case without their tribal glasses on will see that it's the FA's venality that threatens justice in our game and will ultimately drag down the reputation of English football.

 

[Chief]

Why do rival fans continue to look on the LFC board - go straight to a thread about something they find 'boring' or 'best left' - but carry on commenting anyway. It defies logic. It's one thing having a browse for threads that catch your interest but then to leave a comment 9 pages in (in this instance) is crazy - no matter how sound the poster is.

Not really, taken in context I was very, very clearly just having a joke.

But, if you look at page one of your board it is still dominated by Suarez related threads with little else to actually catch the eye, which is why in reality my comment is valid.

Look, I said I wasn't going to get involved, and I'm not, but there really is no need for the indignation. If you all want to continue railing against this perceived injustice then go ahead, sorry I made any mention of it.