To be fair, it was at Old Toilet - if Suarez had been doing it... at this point you'll have to make your own decision how it follows... 1. ... in front of the Stretford End, he'd have started a riot. or 2. ... in front of the Stretford End, it wouldn't have mattered as the prawn munchers would already have left for their coaches back to Devon, Sussex and London...
Let's get a grip! The old adage of NOBODY IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB still stands. It applies to Luis Suarez as much as it does to any other player. We have recent history of enacting that philosophy with Torres. It also applies the Kenny Dalgliesh. The only party who it does not apply to is the owners - they have only acted in the best interests of the club. Do I want Suarez to go? The answer is very simple - NO. He's a rare talent and bring skills to the team that we do not have in any other of our players. However, just like Torres, if his continued presence is not in the best interest of LFC then he has to go. Now, I hope that the owners have not passed down an instruction to get rid of him - even if they have I strongly doubt that more than a few people are aware of that and I feel certain that it would not have 'leaked'. I still feel that it is possible for Suarez to stay at Liverpool depending upon his actions and performance for the rest of the season. So, I will continue to support Luis Suarez as a Liverpool player BUT my passion is for LFC over and above any individual player.
Stupid as it was, not shaking the cocks hand is not as bad as say, missing a drug test on purpose or kicking someone in the stands. The players involved in the latter happen to stay with their team and went on to win a few titles, despite the public outcry. We need to ride this **** out, just like Manure did, and do what's right for LFC and not for the blood thirsty english press or Liverpool hating (very understated) Fergie.....
I agree with this and I actually can't believe some Liverpool fan's are talking about getting rid of Suarez over this, yes let's get rid of Suarez and give bacon face exactly what he wants. Everybody make's mistake's and he has said sorry so he should now be able to concentrate on football form now until the end of the season. People on here are acting like drama queen's over something that has been blown up by the media because they have nothing else to put in the rag's.
Suarez made a mistake, politically and logically, it was time to move on and the PC thing to do is shale hands, him denying the handshake was an error, he handed Evra the moral high ground as Evra is the supposed injured party and he offered the hand, truth be told Evra was hoping he would reject his hand. Evra for sure knew how that would look and luis was a little naieve, but in saying that Evra is playing a game here, he's played it before and is getting better at it, thats how I felt when he acted the way he did at the end of the game. Evra is the soap opera 'cougar' He's been around
Hi Newbie here, but had to post after hearing John Barnes take on Suarez incident Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9695000/9695784.stm He was class as a player and is still class in his bearing and attitude. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RON YEATS - Shankly was trying to convince Yeats to sign for Liverpool from Dundee Utd I asked him, "Whereabouts in England is Liverpool.' 'Oh, we're in the First Division son', replied Shanks. This took me aback. I said, 'I thought you were in the Second Division?' Shanks replied, 'When we sign you, son, weâll be in the First Division the next year.'"
Did Suarez start the fight? No. - I don't blame him. Did Suarez call Evra a negro with the intention to hurt him on a racial level? No. - I don't blame him. Did Suarez ask for an unprecedented 8 match ban for "using a racial term" (not racism) ? No. - I don't blame him. Did Suarez ask, in the meantime, for the FA to largely downplay and drag their feet on John Terry's use of "you black ****?"? No. - I don't blame him. Did Suarez ask the Daily Mail, the Guardian, the S*n, and others to make the biggest media circus in football, yet to leave JT alone? No. - I don't blame him Did Suarez serve out his ban patiently? Yes. Is Suarez's reputation forever tarnished by a poorly written FA report that contains fallacies and biased opinions? Yes. Would you shake Evra's hand? I certainly would not shake the hand of someone that caused me to miss a month and a half of my season, that caused my team to suffer a loss of a player, that ruined my reputation forever. I would not look at him. I would not say a word to him, I would not say a word to Ferguson, to Rio ****ing Ferdinand, or to anyone else about it. But I wouldn't lie about it to my manager. Did Suarez break his promise to Kenny Dalglish and the club to shake Evra's hand? Yes. - I blame him. He violated the trust of those who trusted him. That's a first warning and this is a situation where he should have begun to pay back the club's support. Nothing more than that. It's not him that tarnished our reputation, it's the media that focus on one fan in 40,000 that makes monkey gestures, yet mostly ignores it when a United fan does the same thing. It's the media that quote Piara Powar on how racism is terrible, yet fail to quote his calling a Sikh fan a "coconut". If the people of the world choose to be ignorant sheep and to get sucked into the media's lies (it's not like they illegally wiretap the families of murdered children or anything) then fine. We as a club should stand together and support our own, we should stand behind our player and shield him from libel and the media's lynch mentality. And he should begin paying us back by not lying and being honest to us. By showing his skills on the pitch. Oh, and Slur Alex should keep his red nose out of our business. (see picture above by BringBackfootie)
This whole thread is redundant, all the Liverpool fans at the game will sing his name and support him, and that is all that matters. If he is still a fan hero at the end of the season, by working hard and putting everything he has into the games, the owners would not dare sell him. And RHC, I'm still not buying your gossip about Suarez being out the door, and I don't care how reliable your source is. Every company out there has board meeting, and the outcomes of which are recorded, and maybe some office people will find out what goes on, but something like this will never be discussed at board, it will be via closed door phone calls between Ian Ayres and the owners, and no-one at the club will know a thing about it. And this is not some naive company that can't hold it's own waters. They run daily battles with the press and media, and no-one within the club will be spreading a story that Suarez is going. Kenny won't be gabbing to his mates about it. It just doesn't happen, so the guy who mans the car park at Melwood won't know any more than the rest of us. I've seen stories before that have claimed to come from the club, or the car hire service that the driver claims he picked this person up at an airport.... None of it has ever come true. The last story I had heard had come from the club itself was that Stevie G had shagged his wife's younger sister! And we all know what bollocks that one was!
I don't. I think he had every intention of swallowing his pride and dignity and shaking hands with the little ****, but once again the French midget was an arsehole over it and did not meet him half way, and when you are forcing so much down to be the bigger man, and humiliate yourself, and the little **** starts ****ing you about, I sure as hell understand Suarez, going "**** you then" Evra was just a total dick. I know he can't help it, genetically, he is just a dick. So I support Suarez for that, because you can see he INTENDED to shake hands, but Evra is forever a dick.
If Suarez comes out and says he intended to shake Evra's hand, but felt humiliated at the extra effort he would have to give, then that's that. I won't blame him for the handshake either anymore. But he hasn't, and at the moment I have to be unbiased and look at it as if he did not intend to shake his hand. The video is ambiguous at best, so I can't tell if he was planning on it. The only thing I can really see is him skipping Evra, and Evra getting indignant about it. Until Suarez says otherwise, in which case I will believe him.
Good post danilelnino - the only problem is that only us Liverpool fans can understand this and literally all neutrals won't agree with you. This is a battle we can't win unfortunately and Suarez's reputation in the PL will forever be tarnished. The only way he can make amends is by keeping out of the spotlight and front/back pages for the wrong reasons), deliver some fantastic performances similar to the ones when he first arrived and help fire us to 4th spot.
Ox. I have re-posted on this on another thread and I did try to let you know. I had a further long chat with my mate on Tuesday. If we win a cup, qualify for the CL and he keeps his head down, he'll be OK. Any further controversy and he's gone. End of. Personally, I think he's had the rough end of the stick in all of this.
