True in the long term, I agree. But to offer in evidence, we were playing and scoring better in the 8 games without him than were were immediately before and after. The team as a unit were improving, rather than simply looking to shift responsibility to Suarez to do it all/serve it up on a plate. Carroll was beginning to look like the line leader we need, he was linking up quite well towards the end of the ban. Then Suarez comes back in, Carroll back to the bench. That wasn't right. We beat United without him, yet, just two games later, back he comes, and we lost.
It will be a sad day for this club if we get rid of him over this and we will be giving ferguson exactly what he want's. If you are in the business of selling your best player's because the media and opposition fan's don't "like him" then you have no hope of ever getting anywhere near the title. I can't imagine the American owner's would be that stupid and I would think this media driven witch hunt against Suarez will dye down eventually and all will be forgotten.
Yes, I think Kenny royally ****ed up there by bringing him straight back into the first team, especially against THEM! And it was also a kick in the butt for Andy, who has improved quite a bit these last few weeks. I sometimes wonder about our manager, his tactics & selections have been a little odd this season, unlike last season when it seemed to be turning around for us.
I suppose, I'm trying to say is it wouldn't be the end of the world if he went. Unlike at the start of the season, when Carroll was like Bambi on Ice playing with Steelies on his feet, we had a team that could perform without Suarez playing and opening up defences. But even his finishing has pretty much deserted him this season. And you're right, last season we did look like we were making progress - but Suarez was new to the Premiership and defenders simply didn't expect his abilities; he's better policed now.
This ^ Whether he promised to shake hands or not, he wouldn't have started for me. Bellamy and Carroll with Suarex coming on. Not a great decision by Kenny in my book.
Tbh, I was often equally perplexed by Rafa's team selection and tactical decisions, and those of other managers in the past (let's not even think of Woy). We all think at times that we know better, but I suppose we have to accept those decisions unless they are clearly and consistently failing.
Are you honestly under the impression carrol is playing well? He's hopeless bar one or two games. if you think we'll do just fine without Suarez you are living in another world. firstly no top class striker will wanna join us because we offer no champions league. Remember we got Suarez very cheap, so expect to pay 40mil plus for a striker of his level right now. Would be very shocked at their stupidity if the owners would sell him
I think caroll is doing better but working hard and delivering are two different things... you can't slate a guy for trying can you? i eman morientes didn't work he tried hard and got backed for it. if carroll works hard he'll get the backing. on suarez... simply put he is an intsinct player and fires off shots with his head down and if he's lucky he gets goals if he's not he fires them wide... top class strikers pass the ball into the net... he's not that.. he's the mercurial type you have to put up with. we need a player to go with that.
@ more. I disagree with you. Look at his goals record at Ajax and even with Uruguay. Our midfield is not doing their job hence he drops back so much. He needs a aqualani, modric or mata type of player with him. He's doing other people's jobs right now.
100% agree with this. Unfortunately, Luis Suarez has become the modern day El Hadji Diouf. Plus, considering his arrogance, Suarez won't be happy that he has been forced into apologising either. Whatever you think about Suarez and the stuff that has gone off, the sponsors etc are the ones that will have the final say, they pay millions to have their name associated with Liverpool Football Club, if the club looks bad then so do they.
He will need to accept that he did wrong (not debating whether it was right or wrong here) and show enough character to move on and play for the club. I don't agree with the Diouf comparison, Suarez has an opportunity to repay the club and fans faith in him. He's a quality player and he needs to now concentrate on football and representing Liverpool FC on and off the pitch. I don't think he will move on and I also think that we as fans need to move on. Lets give him a chance and see if he can learn from mistakes made.
I meant by the opposition fans etc, no matter what happens he will remain a hate figure amongst the opposition. Of course, this shouldn't effect us but see the other part of my comment regarding sponsorship etc, it will bother them.
luv. You've seen me post that I've been told categorically that he's gone in the summer. Having spoken to my reporter mate again at lunchtime, it's not absolutely irrevocable. He has to keep his head down and let his football do the talking. If we win a cup and qualify for the CL, he may well survive. Any further controversy and he's gone. The owners were coming over here anyway for the FAC and the CC final. However, they will be reading the riot act to Suarez in the process. When Kenny said in the press conference that he didn't know Suarez hadn't shaken hands, I thought he was avoiding the issue. Apparently, he genuinely didn't know Someone fu.ked up massively if that is indeed the case.
I see what you're saying but Suarez can't afford to slip up. He needs to keep his head down and be controversy free. If he can do that, and play well and get the country talking about his ability rather than his personality, then I think this entire thing will blow over.
That is the big question though isn't it, can he do that...? Look at the game against Man Utd, if you ignore the handshake and kicking the ball away just before half-time he didn't do much else wrong, he was playing his usually game. But he was constantly in the middle of things because that is the sort of player he is and, to be quite honest, despite the diving which aggrevates me, I wouldn't change him at all. People were having a go at him for diving and making a big deal after the Rio challenge without thinking about the fact he was actually brought down and probably didn't know Rio had touched the ball - this shows he does not always have to do something wrong for him to be in the headlines. He is the the new pantomime villan, much like Diouf was.
Saturday's events might have taken a completely different turn if Evra's wild challenge aimed at Suarez had'nt been intercepted by Rio's body. We might now have Suarez out for the season and unsellable(if selling him is part of the clubs plan). But LFC have stated hes not for sale.
I think that we need players like Suarez, players with an edge. However with this type of player comes all the baggage, the club need to understand the kind of person he is and manage him accordingly. He will do things that annoy other players and managers but I also think he will also bring silverware. It's not worth tarnishing the reputation of the club in order to get silverware so it's down to the management to ensure that he toes the line. It's not been the best of starts but as long as he and the club learn from what has happened then the road ahead could be a good one.
Obviosuly, I wouldn't have wanted to see Suarez out for the seaosn but it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if that had been the case.
I agree with that but I think we will only see the true benefit of Luis Suarez once we get a poacher playing alongside him. IMO, Suarez's finishing is appalling! I saw a stat someone where it said we have won around 42% of games without him but around 38% with him. Can't remember where I saw (or possibly heard on the radio) this, if anyone can help then feel free...
