Leeds United would be a sunken wreck/distant memory now if it weren't for Kenneth Bates - and look at the appreciation he gets!
Fair few grand, I'd wager. I think the best plan would be to go to somewhere like Nice just down the road from Monaco and find some dangerous trampy skaghead type who needs 50 Euros for his next fix. Give him a shank and a train ticket to Monaco and tell him to bring you the scalp of the Bearded One in order to get the full payment. Not that I've given it much thought or anything.
This again is wrong. I was only young when he took over leeds. I had no knowledge of his chelsea days, and still have very little nowadays. I couldnt care what club he was in the past. Now that i am aware of how exactly hes running the club I have been able to form an opinion...and that opinion is that hes no good for lufc and needs to go
I swear I heard somewhere that he's a QPR fan. Either way I didn't know that about getting pissed up and singing Chelsea chants at Leeds United functions
Maybe because I am currently living in a completely different timezone to you... Also please name me the 'prolific goalscorers' that I backed that Grayson bought which I now do not back. Becchio could be the only possible name you could throw up (im not going there again) but I still see him as useful for the squad. Marko, I admit frustration to lack of spending on the transfer front. I do but with the squad we have and the amount of dead wood we have we could've easily have gone up this year and I truly believe that. Just imagine we didn't have all this **** in our squad, the amount of extra funds we woulda had for a good team. I'm pretty sure I have gone through it before which Im sure you can find, something along the lines of around an extra 3m in transfers assuming we get rid of them on a free. I don't know why everyone thinks I back Bates 100% because I don't. I often come out with arguments against him just like I come out with arguments for him. Kinda tired of it to be honest. My point is we can still easily get to the prem with him in charge however he is not the ideal person to be in charge and I just do not see anywhere near enough justification to try and get rid of him regardless of what else your hurting on the way i.e. leeds united football club. I will not take leeds down with him and that IMO is what is happening. Fans seem to have adapted tunnel vision with this situation
So let me just ask you, I have different opinions to you so that makes you a more valid leeds fan. No, I dont think so The more I talk to you the more I think your actually a cockhead. If someone doesnt agree with you, you just say 'well your not a proper leeds fan so your point isn't valid'. If you have given up on 'making me see sense' then don't post **** like this again please
A man who can't be trusted at his word is enough justification to get rid of him by any means possible. We're just sick of being treat like second class citizens by the club we poor money into and get **** all back. How is that not justification enough? Our money, which we are paying over the odds for, is disappearing. That in itself means that regardless of how well we could potentially do with the budget we've got if managed properly, bates has to go, because I guarantee he won't be willing to part with the money required to get a manager capable of doing what he's expecting.
Marko, I understand why people hate Bates. But my point is by the means that people are trying to drive him out by (which by the way I really don't think will work until you actually annoy him) is hurting the club more than it hurts Bates. I think you misunderstand his mentality which is why it will never work in the way which you are doing it, I reckon we have dropped so many points from home games this season because of a lack of support from fans, we are only 4 points off the play-offs and even if we have dropped 6 points, thats 6 points that could put us in the play-offs. Fans have prioritised getting rid of Bates to acheiving promotion and thats why i get so frustrating with this
No the points have been dropped because the team is crap. They are not good enough, no where even close. The team is too one dimensional because we have only a handful of players of the quality required and the rest just aren't good enough, so we are left relying on a single strategy of get it to Snodgrass and hope he can turn over more defenders and create something. When that doesn't work, we're ****ed. It's just too easy for other teams to shut out Snodgrass and then it's game over. McCormack doesn't get fed and we can't score to save our lives. The defence isn't good enough, not even close. Darren O'Dea is a liability, yet he's a first choice centre back. That on it's own speaks volumes. Leigh Bromby hasn't been good enough for a long time. Alex Bruce is another liability. I can't imagine Andy O'Brien is going to be particularly good when he gets back, he's been **** since we signed him permanently. Teams just find it too easy to shut us out completely, I don't remember the last time I watched Leeds play against a defence that didn't handle our "attacking threat" with ease. The team is crap because great players leave and mediocre ones come in. There's no two ways about it. That is down to the transfer policy, nothing else.
Josh, take a look at Bates' programme notes from Saturday, it is arrogant and bordering on megalomania. He is not to blame for anything, snipes at Grayson and has the cheek to say we should march on together, just not in the streets!! http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/123914-Bates-Programme-Notes-Brighton-Match Tell me your thoughts on this idiot's comments please!!
The long and short of it is, if you pay for an entertainment service and you're not happy satisfied with what you get, you'd be stupid to carry on paying for it. That is all that has happened. bates is trying to run Leeds United FC like a normal business because unlike a normal business he thinks he can cut corners anywhere he likes, hike prices up and not lose customers because the fans have a loyalty to the club. Wrong. If he wants to run it like a normal business, lets treat it like one.
Marko, refer to my leeds v brimingham match thread. I said that if we got rid of 9 players (all of whom were signed by grayson) who were all liabilites taking into account that they are on an average wage of around 5k a week (which its probably considerably more) then we would have easily enough money to spend on good quality signings, at least 3 or 4 at VERY least. Some may argue thats a smallish squad then which I agree with but I'd prefer a squad size of around 25 or 26 players with a lot of quality about em than a squad of 30 with only a handful of quality. Bates can't be blamed for the quality, only the quantity. BillysStatue, I havn't read it yet but I will. He is very arrogant and IMO unproffessional, he should not talk about grayson once he's sacked. Get over it, it happened in the past and theres no need for him to bad mouth him, that pisses me off about bates, he does it with every player that leaves too.
I dont care how much money it is. 12m IS enough for a smart manager to get promoted. I was more referring to thats (more than) enough to get 24 or 25 quality players in but then Bates can be blamed for a small squad but the manager picks whos in the squad so its his fault for the quality. Thats a generally well known statement (or it is where I grew up)
Then we have a small squad Josh, and we run into problems with rotation like we had last season and the season before.
Is it **** enough. No team's done that before, and no team will do it in the future. Even Warnock will only scrape this team into the playoffs, it's just not strong enough. Couple with that the fact that Grayson couldn't even sign who he wanted, and that our team's less than half the price of Blackpool's, who are generally touted as the model example of the way to get promotion on the cheap. Not enough reddies for Redders.
As for the program notes, my personal highlight for infuriation factor was when he mentioned Thierry Henry as a proof that loan signings work. This is it, this is why he shouldn't be in charge of anything. He thinks we're stupid enough that he can do whatever he wants, argue points that sound logical and we'll all believe him and be quiet and accept he's right and move on like the good little minions that we are. Thierry Henry is not only an extremely good player, he was acquired on loan as Arsenal were incapable of getting him on a permanent. The circumstances of the loan deal were different. They wanted him, they wanted that player and got him by whatever means necessary. What Leeds United do is say well we can't afford permanent signings unless they are free and even then they cost a lot in wages so we'll go get loan signings. Who's available? They'll do. He can't put things into context. Either that, or he can but he assumes all us "sickpots" and "morons" can't.
