I have just watched Manure v Liv, and they have spent the WHOLE of the post match interviews and talk talking about the shaking of hands (or not as the case may be) between Suarez and Evra. Do we really give a ****? Show some football action FFS. This is a real bug-bear for me, in that the media dominate a lot of things in this country. The whole interview between Shreeves ? and Dalglish was asking him about why Suarez didnt shake his hand - for which Dalglish (rightly in my opinion) got a bit pissed off with and asked him to ask him questions about the game.Who gives a ****? Who gives a **** about Suarez and Evar shaking hnads? Who gives a **** about Terry calling Ferdinand whatever he MIGHT have called him ?? There are far,far,far worse things happening in every day life that need to be sorted out. Rant over - makes me want to leave this country (AGAIN !).
I couldnt care less either Stu - I'd love to know why Ferdinand felt he had to get involved in the whole situation by not shaking hands with Suarez though, does he feel as though he's been off the front pages for long enough?? I think as well after the press came out yesterday saying Pearce shouldnt get the England job because of racist claims made to Paul Ince back in 1994 they should start to be censored now because the power they have now is scarey. (and its effident that they're paving the way so only Redknapp has a clean slate to take over the job).
As much as I would much rather get on and watch the football, I do 'give a ****' about Terry and Ferdinand because if Terry was racist then it really does matter. Football is England's most popular sport, and we can't see our top players being racist, it gives the game a bad image and we should do whatever we can to eradicate it.
I know racism is horrible and I do condone it but based on my comments Every WEEK there are 1012 footballers who play in the top four English Divisions alone (maybe half of them are non-white players / ethnic minorities or whatever they want to be called), over a good number of years there have only been two reported racism cases (i.e. Evra and Ferdinand). Now my maths is rubbish but that seems a really small percentage especially when the likes of Ferdinand come out and say that they're disappointed with broken promises saying the issues have been tackled. What I also hate is the fact that they say that its a huge problem in England yet why dont they take a look around and ask Samuel Eto'o what it was like in Spain or Peter Odenwingie who had bananas thrown at him in Russia....
I care what John Terry says, as the England Captain he represented the English Nation so what he says is important and the vast majority of English people do not want him making racist statements whatever the situation.
The media wants to believe terry is a racist. It's people without the ability to think for themselves that feed this myth about racism. No body cares in Europe about this sort of thing and once the English media and fa stop thinking their poop does not stink the sooner we can get our game back. The last four days have been a complete embarrassment to the English game and is getting worse. What happened to our sense of humour and fair play? Arent we as a nation worth more than being fed constant crap about alleged racism and x factor? No wonder we are the laughing stock of the football world.
Allegedly said a racist statement. Obviously we don't want to believe what we have read in the newspapers do we? Unless it has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt.
Alan Green on Five Live said the whole spectacle today 'made him want to throw up' - there was certainly some pretty undignified behaviour on show.
There are racist comments made in every minute of every game played in Britain for the last 5 decades- and its not just white on black. But it seems that the media wants to wrangle the very last drop out of something which has been going on for as long as i can remember. As i said, there are MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more important things that need fixing in our world. Doing what Sky did today was just rubbish.
TBH, Alan Green is just a patronising,rude Man U fan anyway. there was nothing serious done IMHO.He didnt want to shake his hand - so what ! Did he try to kill him ?
No denying its a talking point- Suarez is a very stupid man and I think it's important that his actions are highlighted. He acted like a victim. To the man he racially abused.
Didn't realise he was a fan, Stu - to be fair to him, he wasn't pointing the finger at anyone, just commenting on the general atmosphere.
Have you seen the footage again? Evra looks like he withdraws his hand and certainly was bogging him out. Its amazing what people want to see. Ferdinand acted like a complete twat and i hope he is ashamed of himself . Now tell me was Evras celebration a man looking to rebuild bridges or someone wanting to play the victim? I can't think why Evra would behave like that, after all he cares so much about football and he never would do it for his national side.....scumbag that he is.
Evra's celebrations were pretty pathetic- and there is no denying he is an unsavoury individual- but I don't think he pulled his hand away from Suarez. LS had no intention of shaking his hand, that's pretty obvious to see.
Watched it again and the still conclusively proves that Evra pulls his hand away. See the Liverpool board for the evidence. So that's it . As far as I can see he was set up by the fa and now sky sports and no doubt the papers will also side with tomorrow because Evra possibly can't be wrong. The man is a liar always has been even his own national team don't want him
If we called them thieving scousers or illegitimate mancs they would take offence but is it racist. If I called Suarez a cheating spic would that be racist? if I called Ponders a Wessex Wassock would that be racist? The problem is that it is the words rather than the intention behind them that the media are majoring on. Suarez probably couldn't care less the colour of Evra and we are aware from statements from his countryment that what he said was a term of endearment in his home country. Is Terry racist, maybe, but he has played in the premier league with and against players of all colours races and creeds for many years I doubt Drogba would describe him as racist. However it is the literal translation of what he said that is being held against him not the intention behind it. The media have now got themselves into position of judge and jury so that they can create and report a story. Both Terry and Suarez can at least have defence that what they said in both cases with limited vocabulary, was said in the heat of the moment. That the whole thing was inflamed today by Suarez feeling hard done by and Evra and Ferdinand being holier than thou is not a surprise since they are all victims of the media exagerating their views and re-inforcing the positions, Dalgliesh and Ferguson are not without blame here either. The point I am trying to make is that our friendly media in the middle of the Leverson enquiry are escalating a battle which we believe we should all take sides in and a moral stance upon and have blown it up to a matter of "national significance". It is just two footballers having a slanging match in the heat of a competition and not having the ability to choose sensible words, and now because the media have blown it out of proportion they wont even shake hands afterwards. I never thought that I could understand Blatter but maybe there is something to what he said. The reality is that where we were slowly eradicating racism from football the situation is now much worse than it was because the media have highlighted differences and are trying to make people take sides. The only side is a swift condemnation of racism from all concerned, an apology if offence was caused public if needs be and reduce the pages of wasted newsprint. It is a media which is creating its own stories to report in the absence of any real news or football. Lord I hope the thaw sets in soon otherwise they will start alleging that the Archbishop of Canterbury has made a slur against the Archbishop of York on the grounds that Ebor has viking beserka tendencies unlike the pure christianity of Cantor. As an aside, the alleged charlton supporters who were reportedly singing and making racist gestures have no such defence. They were not in the heat of a battle, have not not been over reported by the media which then forced the police to take action, were not competing in a match just airing their personal views and selecting words which they will have known and intended to be incendiary. Drunken action is no excuse.
How can you say that? Eva's hand is at his side and Suarez is reaching down for it and maintaining eye contact. This is why we can not have a fair trial because people see what they want to see. I might be wrong but are you so certain your right?
Not at all- its an opinion. We know little of the surroundings- evra could have said something in the tunnel to Suarez for example. I just think if he did try and shake his hand and it was evra who pulled away, then LFC would have came out insisting that was the case. Maybe they still will?
No the point is this. Sky reported that suarez pulled his hand away, he did not. They clearly want to make trouble and keep this fire burning to sell subscriptions. The media want to sell papers so they run this story with a good and bad man. The bad racist and the good black man. That's not how I see it at all. Two over paid ponces that are killing the game and being encouraged to do it by the media for their own ends. When this story dies then you can call back terry and Ferdinand different cast same story. What a load of toss.
